Paladin

[Bodu]

Feel free to post about...Sunt curios cum arata talent tree-ul la voi. Al meu e cam asa:
Retribution Mastery
Improved Blessing of Might Rank 5
Two-Handed Weapon Specialization Rank 5
Improved Seal of the Crusader Rank 5
Deflection Rank 4
Vengeance Rank 5
Seal of Command Rank 1
Anticipation Rank 2
Consecration Rank 1
Conviction Rank 1
Retribution Total: 29
Holy Mastery
Spiritual Focus Rank 5
Holy Total: 5


Total
Total Points Spent: 34
Level Required: 43

[Bodu]

Before talking about this, let me explain the build:

HOLY TREE: (31 Points Total)

Improved Lay on Hands: 2 Talents (Bonus of 30% to armor when used)
Spiritual Focus: 5 Talents (70% Chance to ignore spell interruption)
Improved Holy Light: 3 Talents (Healing increased by 12%)
Illumination: 5 Talents (When a heal crits, it restores mana equal to base cost 100% of time)
Divine Favor: 1 Talent (Activate for critical heal chance 100%)
Improved Seal of Righteousness: 5 Talents (Damage Increased by 15%)
Improved Concentration Aura: 3 Talents (50% Extra chance to ignore spell interruption)
Sanctity Aura: 1 Talent (Holy Damage increased by 10%)
Divine Strength: 5 Talents (Strength increased by 10%)
Holy Shock: 1 Talent (Ranged Attack DD)

RETRIBUTION TREE: (20 Total)

Improved Blessing of Might: 5 Talents (Bonus increased by 25%)
Two-handed Weapon Specialization: 5 Talents (Melee dmg increased by 5%)
Vengeance: 5 Talents (When you crit, you deal 15% extra physical and holy damage)
Improved Retribution Aura: 4 Talents (Increased damage by 20%)


This is what I figure would be the highest possible Burst DPS for a Paladin to use in PvP. Procedure would work as follows:

PRE-WORK: You must be using a slow high-DPS Two-hand Weapon, also, Armor that gives extra Agility / Strength and/or Equip: Extra Critical Chance items are preferred.

1) Activate Sanctity Aura.
2) Cast Seal of Righteousness, then Immediately Judgement it. It should do around 168.25 damage with this talent tree and sanctity aura on. You can probably sneak a hit or so in before you judgement (which can add varying damage).
3) Cast Holy Shock on the target. This should do around 434.5 damage to the target.
4) Switch to Retribution Aura (if fighting melee classes, or switch to Concentration Aura if in Group PvP. If this is 1v1, use an educated quesson what aura is best.)
5) Cast Seal of Command. Due to the nature of the seal, a slow 2h is better, and hopefully while using this, you can crit and/or get the extra hits from Seal of Command.
5) When Judgement refreshes, switch back to Sanctity Aura and Judgement another Seal of Righteousness, then switch to Command again.
6) Follow this same pattern more or less.

Just using some estimations, if each Judgement of Righteousness does 150 damage and each Holy Shock does 400 Damage, And you get the extra attack from Seal of Command only 1/4 of the times you attack for the same amount (and doesnt crit), and assuming you only do maybe 200 damage / hit with your melee weapon (and it has attack speed 3.50), then this procedure will do around 150 (SoR #1) + 400 (HS #1) + 800 (4 Attacks in 15s becuase of 3.50speed) + 200 (1 bonus from SoCommand) + 150 (SoR #2) = 1700 Damage in 15 seconds or so, +/- Retribution Aura damage if you chose that route.

If you crit on any attack, the DPS goes even higher, due to extra Crit damage and Vengeance.
If you take unexpected damage, you can LoH for 30% AC increase, or shield and crit heal for free, and then rinse and repeat.

So, is there any way to possibly increase burst DPS for a paladin beyond what I have outlined here?

FOR PvE:

Since this template is designed for mass damage rather quickly, in groups you can serve two purposes: 1) Damage Dealer / Secondary Tank OR 2) Backup Healer, since you have 3 Talents in improved Holy Light (or 3 in Flash of Light depending on which heal you prefer). However, serving as a Main tank would be ill-advised....

[Lucifer]

Q. Are pallys the gheyest class in WoW
A. Yes

Q. What shoud i do as a pally
A. In the loggin screen select your pally, press the delete botton, a window will pop up where u will type "delete" after that press ok

Q. Does pally get any godlike ability at level 40
A. One-Hand Horse Masturbation

Q. In what talents shoud i spread my points
A. Back Attack 5/5
Devine Shild Mania 5/5
Jumping Obbsesion 1/1
Flaming forums telling people how ghey u are soloing elite mobs 5/5
Dubble /Spit Macro 1/1
Detect Necrophilic Activities 5/5

Q. Where shoud i level as a pally
A. Underwater

[Wagram]

Presupun ca ar trebui sa fie amuzant postul tau, Lucifer.

[EcthelionElf]

Ce poante de undead frustrat

[Painer]

hahahaha foarte tare postu!

[eBE]

Deci frate . paladin e prea gay . cum este posibil sa se healuiasca de 2 ori intr-o singura bataie de la shieldul ala de kkt foarte gay si aveam si un elite pe capul meu care era verde cu el si dupa ce ma bate se apuca si danseaza pe cadavrul meu . down Devine Shild Mania . Si da . sunt un Undead frustrat Si da datorita Paladinilor nu joc pe alianta ( si datorita elfilor cu urechile alea lungi )

[Zircon]

Eu nu inteleg cum este posibil sa aiba nevoie sa se healuiasca de doua ori intr-o bataie cand adversarul o face doar o singura data ... Ori ii faci tu damage prea mare, ori iti face el prea mic. Poate chiar amandoua

Btw, in party e super, daca da scut pe el incep sa moara aia din jur

[EcthelionElf]

Am avut un paladin in beta... Pan la lvl 20 am mers cu el. E gay in idea ca all Alliance e gay..adica merry obsedatilor Really now, e kinda boring de unu singur, iar in party la Alliance nu-mi place pt ca, da, nici mie nu-mi plac elfii aia enervanti. Singura data cand a fost marfa intr-un party era cand eram cu 4 gnomi si I felt , like, really big. Plus ca skillurile de Paladin sunt kinda straightforward, nu poti sa faci altceva decat sa ai aceasi rutina de aura, blessing, seal, sparge-i sealu, dai in cap, heal, scut, fugi ca mori..bla bla..
Iar faza cu dansul pe cadavru.. Tre sa recunosti ca e fun.."I'll dance on your grave"...

[Lucifer]

EcthelionElf... huh?!?...english plz... adica in romana... sau in ce vrei tu... da sa fie in aceasi limba...

[EcthelionElf]

Scuze, n-am vrut sa te obosesc.

[SpineLess]

deci palladinu e deja b00ring grav de tot ... poate primii 50 palladini ar fi buni , dar dupa ei , sunt deja acelasi chestii , aceleasi iteme ...
eu personal de abia am inceput si am un dwarf palladin ...

[Bodu]

Originally Posted by SpineLess

deci palladinu e deja b00ring grav de tot ... poate primii 50 palladini ar fi buni , dar dupa ei , sunt deja acelasi chestii , aceleasi iteme ...
eu personal de abia am inceput si am un dwarf palladin ...

Ati jucat vreunul din voi paladin pana la lvl mai mare?Vorbiti dupa ce jucati..btw pe Sh e o ghilda de romani care nu au 10000 de posturi off topic si care nu-si dau cu parerea din auzite...si sunt destui paladini acolo.O sa vedeti ca orice party la lvl mai mare are nevoie de un paladin 2nd tank 2nd healer
Oricum pe tot threadul asta 90% din posturi sunt off topic si legate de frustrile si problemele personale ale fiecaruia

[Lucifer]

da am jucat pally... si e ghey rau... dintodeauna paladinul a fost dezechilibrat.. dintodeauna pe forumurile de la blizzard pt clase fiecare se plangea de cate una iar pe cel de paladin lumea se plangea ca dc paladinul nu are ochi albastri... ca aura ar trbeui sa aibe mai mult de o simpla animatzie de 2sec... si alte tampeni de genul asta

Paldinul e mult superior fatza de alte clase atat la pve cat si la pvp... nu intzeleg dc o clasa trebuie sa aibe avantaje impotriva unei rase intregi... si nici dc are cal gratis la lvl 40

[Zircon]

Sa comentezi cand ajungi cu paladinul lvl 45+. Si da, cu probe!

[Bodu]

Originally Posted by Lucifer

da am jucat pally... si e ghey rau... dintodeauna paladinul a fost dezechilibrat.. dintodeauna pe forumurile de la blizzard pt clase fiecare se plangea de cate una iar pe cel de paladin lumea se plangea ca dc paladinul nu are ochi albastri... ca aura ar trbeui sa aibe mai mult de o simpla animatzie de 2sec... si alte tampeni de genul asta

Paldinul e mult superior fatza de alte clase atat la pve cat si la pvp... nu intzeleg dc o clasa trebuie sa aibe avantaje impotriva unei rase intregi... si nici dc are cal gratis la lvl 40

Bleah dupa lvl 40 paladinul are un dmg de kk in primul rand asa ca pve sucks apoi inafara de engineering care-l ajuta in pvp dar nu cat trebuie paladinul inafara ca are 3 vieti te p pe el ca nu are cum sa finish nici un kill.Nu e asa de overpowered cu zice lumea,problema e sa sti cum sa joci cu fiecare clasa... Instead of complaining about how powerful and insanely uber paladins are, why not think of ways to beat them? I have a hint to start you off with: Divine shield has the same cooldown time as Vanish, and we can't attack with Blessing of Protection,don't forget we have no range, and one stun, no interupts(other than stun). on.."Insta heal with wasting 20 talent points to get it, and uses the same amount of man. Shield? what shield? It deals dmg to the attacker and gives us no buff and only last for 3 strikes. Know a class before you open ur trap..
Quote"I'm getting sick of noob rogues crying about paladins. Rogues CAN kill paladins, period. You can interrupt every one of our spells with your bloddy chain stun. Not to mention your DPS smokes ours and if you were a smart rogue you would start the fight with a BS, then vanish mid fight and go for another one. You just suck dude, sorry. In fact for rogues you guys are over powered but I'm not going to cry nerf for them, the truly over powered class is shamans and everyone knows this.

Pallys are a mediocre PvE class and PvP support class and nothing more, without our bubble we would drop as fast as warriors considering so many classes have multiple ways to stop us from casting. Learn to play the game and stop posting ignorant noob whines"
Quote"Oh, you mean the same way Paladins get their "blades handed to them" by Shaman, Warlocks, Priests, Hunters, or any class with a ranged attack and the wits to stay more than 5 feet away?

People don't realize, to kill a Paladin, all you have to do is kill his mana bar. Keep him at range, make him use up his shields and his mana on his way expensive heals, and he's a walking tin can waiting to be opened up. You can't kill them FAST, which is why people get frustrated and make mistakes, you just have to peel them apart slowly"
Quote:"thing pallys are TOTALY overpowered for the following reasons:

1. Immunity to everything with 5 min cooldown AND it removes all Debuffs AND can be used when stuned.
2. Immunity to all melee
3. Stun
4. Wear Plate
5. Decent heals
6. Lay on Hands ---> Full HP Instantly
7. Remove debuffs
8. Decent Dmg

Whenever me and my guildies go up against a pally, somone always ends up yelling "Pallys and their 9 lives!" because they have 2 immunities and 1 instant heal; so when you think they are dead, they come back with an immunity and/or a heal.

The fact isnt that they have immunties or heals, the thing that really pisses me off is that they can go immune, but that they can heal while immune!

-TesteR
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This is the last I read, because I don't have patience for tehse long posts. However, let me break this down for you.

1. I do think that removing all debuffs is a bit odd, maybe negate them for the time you're invincible yeah, but don't remove them. btw, 5 min timer=once per fight, once per multiple fights if you keep going.

2.Immunity to all melee. so dots keep going, magic can still hit us, and we can't attack. that's unbalanced.

3. Stun, with a 1 min timer. that's right, so I stun you for 6 seconds at lvl 60, once a fight. where as the rogue stuns me multiple times per fight. yeah, if anything the timer needs to be lowered so it's more viable.

4. Wear plate. well. We're a knight. Knights wear plate. Duh. If we didn't wear plate? what good would plate be? the drop rates would have to be reduced, because it would be useless to everyone but warrior.

5. this decent heal your talking about, that costs a ton of mana? yeah, being able to heal yourself maybe 4 times, if you don't cast anything else. that's pretty overpowering.

6. Lay on hands, it's a full heal instnat, that i can use once an hour. It also uses up 100% of my mana, and gives me a token ammount of Mana in return. Yes, very overpowering.

7. Remove debuffs, Well, we dont' ahve much mana, and spending mana to reduce debuffs means less mana to cast heals. However, I think that maybe, it shouldn't "removes 1 of each type" but rather, "removes one, of any type."

8. Decent damage? don't make me laugh. We don't compare to anyone else in damage, even with a 2hander. We're second to warriors, but warriors need a huge buff, not paladins a nerf. "

etc,etc,etc...

[Lucifer]

Originally Posted by aLeXb

Sa comentezi cand ajungi cu paladinul lvl 45+. Si da, cu probe!

Tu sa vorbesti cand os a fi pe contul tau cu caracterul tau crescut de la lvl1... nu cartactere imprumutate

[Zircon]

Asta suna a "ba tu". Nu lvl 1-13 sunt problema, chiar daca atat ai jucat tu cu paladinul inainte de a-ti exprima glorioasele si mai ales bine-argumentatele opinii ... Oricum, ne-am obisnuit cu stilul tau de a da cu bata in balta

[Lucifer]

tare aLeXb... mai intai vi si zici

Originally Posted by aLeXb

Sa comentezi cand ajungi cu paladinul lvl 45+. Si da, cu probe!

dupa care...

Originally Posted by aLeXb

Asta suna a "ba tu".

adica te contrazici singur in propriile principii

Si btw... paladinul meu a fost mai mare de 13... da e prea ghey pt a merita sa il duci la 60... unica chestie care merita sa o faci ca paladin e "delete"... vezi ca ai un FAQ mai sus unde itzi este explicat exact cum potzi sa il stergi

[Zircon]

Este relativ inutil sa-l duci pana la lvl 60. In primul rand pentru ca este plicticos. In al doilea rand pentru ca nu este cine stie ce uber clasa de PvP (ma rog, rupe warriori, dar cine nu o face). Nu la 60.

Atat povestea cu "ba tu" cat si primul meu post erau ironii la adresa ta. Iti place sa te dai rotund, sa pronunti verdicte, si in ultima vreme sa ceri probe.
Nici nu mai comentez poveste contului pentru ca vine dupa ce am fost acuzat ca am ... Low.