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Thread: INTEL Skylake vs AMD Zen

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMan View Post
    Vreau sa scot in evidenta ca Ryzen 1700, in Battlefield 1, este stresat undeva la 45-50% din capacitatea lui, iar i6600K ajunge si la 100%. La fel si in restul jocurilor. O sa spuneti ca "pai nu vezi ca acolo are un GTX1060?". Asa este, dar aici Ryzen 1700 vs i7 7700K | An Unbiased Look at Benchmarks - YouTube avem asa: Ryzen 7 1700@3.9Ghz vs Intel i7 7700K@5Ghz + GTX1080. Dati la minutul 02:00 si vedeti acolo stresul pe ambele procesoare, unde 7700K ajunge si la 100% iar Ryzen 1700 @65-70%. Sunt din ce in ce mai convins ca limitarea vine din slaba optimizare din partea developerilor si din window$, in afara de faptul ca multe jocuri nu stiu sa lucreze cu mai mult de 4 nuclee. Undeva sunt niste "bete-n roate".
    Chestia asta mi se pare foarte interesanta.
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    one123, baga un Superpi 1M ca vreau sa vad si eu cum se raporteaza la generatiile AMD anterioare ca performanta pe core.

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    La 3.2ghz:
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    Quote Originally Posted by KodiaK View Post
    Vezi 3 posturi mai sus in linkul postat de olds. SMT-ul AMD nu este identifiact corect de W10, si in loc sa vada 8 core-uri fizice si 8 logice, el vede 16 fizice. HT-ul Intel functioneaza corect. Mie asta imi pare un argument suficient de solid ca MS are OS-ul optimizat pt Intel dar nu si pt AMD.
    Poate ar trebui sa definesti ce inseamna pt tine argument solid, pt ca e destul de vag termenul.
    deah, pt ca M$ acum ceva ani când a lansat win 10 știa perfect cum va arată ryzen și cum vor implementa amd smt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by one123 View Post
    La 3.2ghz:
    WOW, chiar arata bine! Multumesc mult!

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    Ce arata bine ? Cu un amarat de 4790 stock am sub 9 secunde la 1M.
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  9. Back To Top | #1049
    Pt platitorii de Skylake sau Kaby nu este bine,concluzia Eteknix este bine venita:

    "The Ryzen 1800X helped maintain the highest minimum frame rates we’ve ever seen, and that means a more consistent, smoother and overall better gameplay experience. When it comes down to it, this higher minimum number is what you want from a gaming chip, not just the bigger average or maximum number."

    Ryzen va rula si mai bine dupa patchul de Windows 10 si ceva fixuri de bios.
    Un tip de pe Guru a dus un Ryzen 1700X la 4.2GHz si DDR4 @ 3600MHz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by takada View Post
    Pt platitorii de Skylake sau Kaby nu este bine,concluzia Eteknix este bine venita:
    Detin un Ivy, and looking for upgrade...

    Quote Originally Posted by takada View Post
    "The Ryzen 1800X helped maintain the highest minimum frame rates we’ve ever seen
    Minimun 1 frame a vrut sa spuna.
    In Hitman printr-un overclock de 100 Mhz sporul de performanta pe minima este de 40%. Cum este posibil?

    Quote Originally Posted by takada View Post
    Ryzen va rula si mai bine dupa patchul de Windows 10 si ceva fixuri de bios.
    Dar cu 1%, 2%...10%? Cand o sa vad performanta atunci il cumpar. Poate vine pana la lansarea 1600X, ca sa nu ma arunc la intel.
    Momentan sa nu uitam ca se afla cu vreo 10-15% in urma 7700K.

    Quote Originally Posted by takada View Post
    Un tip de pe Guru a dus un Ryzen 1700X la 4.2GHz si DDR4 @ 3600MHz.
    Foarte bine, bravo lui. Dar pentru mine este important ca oricine il cumpara sa poata duce la 4,2 si 3600 Ramul. Asa un test facut de unul pe net, nu mai incalzeste mai mult de o lecturare.
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    GTX 1080 Ti Review - AMAZING - YouTube

    Benchmarks cu 1080ti, si 1800X vs 7700K.
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    Se pare ca ala micu R5 1300 de 175$ se anunta un concurent foarte serios pentru seriosul deja 7700k de 350$. Plus ca fiind doar quadcore sunt sanse mari sa prinda frecvente mai mari in OC decat R7

    AMD Ryzen 4 Core Benchmarks vs Intel Core i7 7700K

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    https://www.techpowerup.com/231401/y...s-ryzen-7-cpus
    Cu ocazia asta am vazut ca de fapt sunt 2 module de 4 nuclee. Deci R3 si R5 cu 4 nuclee vor avea o singura pastila.

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    Da, insa de asemenea inseamna ca cele cu 6 nuclee vor avea 2 module, deci 8 nuclee fizice. Sa vedem cum merge deblocarea.
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    Este posibil sa se deblocheze ca la Phenom II sau nu, ca la FX. Ma gandesc ca daca nu se overclockeaza asa bine 2 module a 4 nuclee, de ce s-ar overclocka unul singur?
    Cred ca tocmai cele cu 6 module se vor overclocka cel mai bine (au 2 pastile de siliciu si sunt 3 nuclee pe pastila). Este doar o parere personala.
    Este posibil sa se overclockeze mai bine modulele cu 3 nuclee decat cele cu 4 nuclee?

    LE: Dilema este ca un singur modul cu 4 nuclee primeste tot curentul care ar intra in 2 module. In timp ce 2 module cu 3 nuclee au suprafata mai mare de contact pentru disipare a caldurii.
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    Deci, s-a adeverit ce banuiam aici

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    What began as a simple internal discussion about the validity of claims that Windows 10 scheduling might be to blame for some of Ryzen's performance oddities, and that an update from Microsoft and AMD might magically save us all, has turned into a full day with many people chipping in to help put together a great story. The team at PC Perspective believes strongly that the Windows 10 scheduler is not improperly assigning workloads to Ryzen processors because of a lack of architecture knowledge on the structure of the CPU. In fact, though we are waiting for official comments we can attribute from AMD on the matter, I have been told from high knowledge individuals inside the company that even AMD does not believe the Windows 10 scheduler has anything at all to do with the problems they are investigating on gaming performance.
    In the process, we did find a new source of information in our latency testing tool that clearly shows differentiation between Intel's architecture and AMD's Zen architecture for core to core communications. In this way at least, the CCX design of 8-core Ryzen CPUs appears to more closely emulate a 2-socket system. How does this new information affect our expectation of something like Naples that will depend on Infinity Fabric even more directly for AMD's enterprise play?
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    E clar ca nu e un singur motiv pentru care AMD Ryzen merge mai prost decat ar trebui, mai ales in gaming. Si lucrul cu memoriile via BIOSi tip beta, si windows 10 cu mici probleme.

    De cand am vazut primele teste mi-am dat seama ca si-au batut joc singuri de lansare. Singura concluzie de atunci e valabila si acum, respectiv sa nu cumparati momentan Ryzen.

    Anexat un screenshot ''conspirationist'', dar foarte probabil extrem de veridic.

    Daca lansau cum au vrut initial prin iunie, nu mai exista toata incertitudinea asta... singura necunoscuta e sporul de performanta care va fi inregistrat dupa rezolvarea acestor probleme. Acum in multe teste performanta clock-per-clock e la nivel de Skylake sau mai buna, in jocuri directx 11 mai ales nu e nici la nivel de Sandy Bridge...
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