Bearlake in teste

[mascotzel]

Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L Review (@OverclockersClub)

Conclusion:

The GA-P31-DS3L acts like both Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. As a budget desktop offering, it is the mild mannered Dr. Jekyll. Start playing in the M.I.T. section of the BIOS and Mr. Hyde comes out to play. That can be taken one of two ways, very good or very bad. In this case, it is very good. I was pleasantly surprised to see a budget offering overclocking like some of the better known hardware on the market. I was able to adjust the front side bus up to 465MHz with the default multiplier on the E6750 and stopped at 425x8 with my Q6600 used in this review. In no way was I expecting the overclocking results that I pulled from this board. It was not the best in every benchmarking category, but it was at least comparable to its big brothers' performance when it was not exceeding their results. The two things that I really did not like were the hidden performance options in the BIOS, and the voltage settings. It really is more of a nuisance to find the performance settings without doing the research in the manual. Once found, they do offer enough flexibility to get the job done. If you don't know what the beginning voltages are for the chipset and memory, it makes it difficult to make sane adjustments to the voltages. If you are looking for a motherboard that is inexpensive yet has excellent overclocking potential, you may just want to check out the Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L. It has the neccesary tools to function as both the little desktop that could, as well as performing like a thoroughbred purpose-built overclocking board if it needs to.


Pros:
Overclocking Potential
Inexpensive Performance
Solid Aluminum Capacitors
Crash Free BIOS
Stable at the Max Bootable FSB


Cons:
Hidden Performance Options
Voltage Labeling

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R Intel P35 Express Motherboard Review (@PcStats)

The Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R motherboard overclocked fairly well, reaching a maximum speed of 495 MHz. Anything higher and the motherboard would BSOD while loading Windows XP. A clock speed of 495 MHz is good for a mainstream motherboard, but not stratospheric.

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 Intel P35 Express Motherboard Review (@PcStats)

The Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 handled overclocking well, but showed signs of instability at 465 MHz FSB. The Northbridge voltage was then increased to 0.25V above stock, and the issue gone. In the end, PCSTATS was able to overclock the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 motherboard to a maximum speed of 515 MHz. To get there the motherboard chipset voltage had to be raised to 0.375V above stock... which is a little high.

[lucky_may_be]

One of the first reviews Penryn & Bearlake:
Asus P5E3 Deluxe Overclocking with the QX9650!(vr-zone)
Featuring ExpressGate...

With this coming of the X38 chipset, it's safe to say energy efficiency is on everyone's mind right now. Major brands are beginning the shift towards power efficient designs and products, with power efficient processors, to power supplies, to hard disks, and right now - motherboards.

Kudos to Asus for producing such a fine, feature laden board thats sure to impress the guys and girls of our growing digital generation!

Test Bed :

* CPU : Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme QX9650
* Board : Asus P5E3 Deluxe WiFI-AP@n
* Ram : 2 x 1GB DDR3 1333mhz Kingston HyperX @ 7-7-7-20 2T
* HDD : Seagate 80GB 7200.7 SATA
* Graphics : Asus HD 2900XT 512mb GDDR3
* PSI : Enermax Galaxy1000W
* Display : Dell 3007 WFP 30" LCD @ 2560x1600 Native Resolution

In CPU Score<3DMark06,QX 9650@3 GHz a scos 4913,@4.42 GHz,7014!
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DFI LANParty DK P35 First Look(@windwithme)

DFI urmeaza exemplul abit cu 3 placi in seria P35...

Foxconn MARS features 0.5 multiplier by G26 Beta Bios(@OvercleX)

“The 0.5 multiplier increment will give enthusiasts more flexibility when it comes to overclocking, so we should see higher clock speeds running in a stable environment” claims Peter ‘Shamino’ Tan, Technical Consultant for the Quantum Force product line..."

[Kickazz]

care e dif intre rev 1 si rev 2 la asta ? http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/...me=GA-P35-DS3L

disponibila e doar rev 1... la noi

e rezolvata problema cu dublu restart?

am citit pe aici de msi neo2 fr si desi eram decis sa o iau maine acum m-am cam razgandit si oscilez intre giga p35-ds3l si un biostar http://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baza/biostar/tp35d2-a7/

sunt la acelasi pret si am citit un review f bun pt biostar pe aici...

ma intereseaza care e mai fiabila, ca la o/c , pret si dotari sunt apropiate

[lucky_may_be]

Originally Posted by Kickazz

ma intereseaza care e mai fiabila, ca la o/c , pret si dotari sunt apropiate

Biostar TP35D2-A7 are potential mai mare de OC; si M3kk a intrebat de ea pe XS,dar nu prea s-a simtit incurajat :
+5200 MHz E6850 on BIOSTAR TP35D2-A7
+4300 GHz Q6600 G0 on Biostar TP35D2-A7
Atat ea cat si MSI Neo2-FR (FSB 560) au insa semnul "?" la fiabilitate.
Biostar,network issue review.
In schimb,P35-DS3L a castigat premiul Customer Choice pe newegg.Dintre sute de placi,asta spune mult...
Daca vrei MSI Neo2-FR,ar fi bine sa te uiti mai intai pe listele de teste cu componente,aici,in special sursa,Corsair XMS2 e OK.

[Kickazz]

din cate am citit eu asa vad lucrurile:

- la overclocking toate sunt pe "acolo" , oricum nu tind sa trag de cpu la maxim, deci nu prea ma deranjeaza ca am obs diferente mici msi<giga<biostar

- MSI are racirea mai buna la nb si asta ma facuse s-o aleg, desi e un pic mai scumpa si depaseste limita de 300 pe care voiam sa o dau pe MB, dar am citit de pb cu biosul sau updateul (un bios failed duce la pierderea garantiei), plus alimentare pe 8 pini la cpu


- gigabyte - toti cunoscutii imi zic sa ma feresc de giga si eu am o parere proasta in general, dar pe intel chipurile 965 si p35 au fost f bune... nu stiu acum cat de fiabile sunt, pt ca am inteles ca se incinge cel mai rau

- de biostar am auzit numai de bine ca performanta, si pe am2, si pe 775, dar nu stiu mai nimic de fiabilitate - nu suporta cpu din seria E2xx conform siteului lor http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/...t.php?S_ID=286 - trebuie update de bios din start pe alt sistem


nu as da inca 1 mil pt dfi blood , nici chiar 600 pt ip35-e, chiar as lua un chip mai vechi (P31) daca as sti ca poate suporta procesoarele pe care le suporta p35...

zici sa merg pe giga ?

[lucky_may_be]

Exact,mergi pe P35-DS3L,daca n-ai chef de nici o surpriza...
TP35D2-A7 chiar nu se pupa cu procul tau(E2160),au scos 2 biosuri cei de la Biostar pe tema asta (FSB 800).
La MSI trebuie sa fii putin atent la listele alea,atat.Are dotari mult peste Gigi.
Oricum,verifica pinii de la socket cand ti-o cumperi sa vezi daca sunt in ordine.

[lucky_may_be]

abit IP35 Pro "Off Limits"(@HardwareZone)

Msi P35 Neo2-FR & E4500 ES,Budget setup(@forums HZ)

P35 Neo2-Fr/Platinum Users : O/C result & sharing thread(@forums HZ)

[lucky_may_be]

Unii isi pastreaza banii pt X38 si Penryn si se multumesc pana atunci cu IP35-E & Q6600@4 GHz.
Evident,pt 70$ o placa excelenta.

All voltages were one above stock and NB was two above stock. Vcore was 1.65v. Obviously the above is not prime stable on air. I will definitely need to go water, and it does show the chip has potential.

[lucky_may_be]

abit IX38 Quad GT,Maximus Formula and Gigabyte X38-DQ6 Detailed Preview(@Overclex)

abit trece 100% testul de compatibilitate si la coolerul Noctua unde celelalte nu-l suporta decat intr-un sens/pozitie ...

Scythe Mugen
Zalman CNPS9500 LED
Cooler Master Gemin II
Noctua NH-U12*
Zerotherm Nirvana NV120 Premium
Thermalright ULTRA-120 Extreme,not tested yet

1.asus P5E vs P5K Premium (@HZ forums)

2.Maximus Formula vs Blitz Formula (@HZ forums)

asus P5E (@xbitlabs)

All in all, Asus P5E proved a very good product. Being closely related to top Asus product aka Maximus Formula turned out an advantage for P5E. The mainboard inherited a lot of good features from its elder sister.

Maximus Formula vs Maximus Extreme(DDR3)(@ bit-tech.net)

The Formula might be DDR2-based, but it hasn't shown itself to really be a worthy purchase. Personally if I wanted a DDR2-based X38 board, the cheaper Asus P5E or Gigabyte X38-DS5 are now far more appealing.

EPU e o chestie interesanta la asus X38,mai reduce din consum...
Maximus nu are jumperi CMOS,ci un slider,PCB-ul ei este Taiwan made,gasiti multe amanunte la 1. si 2.
De asemenea placile vin in bundle cu audio card Supreme FX II.
X38=P35 ca perf. pt. moment.

[mascotzel]

4-Way Intel P35 Motherboard Overclocking Roundup (@Madshrimps)

featuring:
MSI Platinum Combo, DFI P35 Lanparty, Foxconn's P35AP-S , Asus P5K Vanilla

Asus P5K Vanilla

The Asus board tested here is a very basic P35 budget board, albeit with a decent amount of overclocking options for the enthusiasts, while keeping things as low-cost as possible. You can find the standard options on the board, but that's it, nothing special or fancy. (check out the Blitz Formula for the fancier Asus motherboard)

AWARD: Recommended for VALUE

+ Price
+ Supports 45nm
+ Very fast at stock speeds
- 4-pin power connector!
- At high overclocks, lower performance than expected
- Huge vdroop (vcore drop)

MSI P35 Platinum Combo

MSI offers a huge packet, including all the options you want such as DDR3 support. It's a dream for the case modders and people with a window in their case side panel, as there are some fancy LED's present, together with a very beautiful heatsink design.

+ DDR3 support
+ Crafty heatsink design and LED's
- Not a lot of overclocking options in the BIOS
- Memory slot locker
- Less than stellar memory overclocking capabilities

Foxconn P35AP-S

Foxconn is new on the end-user market and combines extra support such as DDR3 with the fast and proven P35 chipset, offering lots of overclocking functions.

AWARD: Recommended for MAINSTREAM

+ Very fast when overclocked
+ DDR3 support
+ Gladiator bios covers about everything you need regarding overclocking
- No real extra's
- Memory overclock doesn't work like it should work*

*: After we contacted Foxconn, they assured us to get the problem solved. Moments before this article went live, we received a new BIOS which resolves some of the memory overclocking issues, we’ll have an update ASAP.

DFI Lanparty UT P35-T2R

DFI is the most expensive board of the four, but offers an insane amount of overclocking options. This is definitely the board you want if you're looking to extract the most out of your system.

AWARD:Recommended for HIGHEND

+ Voltages are rock stable
+ Memory tweaking options
+ Blistering fast
+ Heatsink design
- Memory slot + VGA Card installation issue
- Price

spre bucuria lui lucky,asus-ul nu e implementat reusit pe partea de OC,Foxconn surprinde in bine

[red-dog]

Originally Posted by mascotzel

4-Way Intel P35 Motherboard Overclocking Roundup (@Madshrimps)

featuring:
MSI Platinum Combo, DFI P35 Lanparty, Foxconn's P35AP-S , Asus P5K Vanilla



spre bucuria lui lucky,asus-ul nu e implementat reusit pe partea de OC,Foxconn surprinde in bine

pai tu compari P5K-ul cu DFI T2R ? costa dublu DFI-ul

[mascotzel]

eu nu compar nimic

[lucky_may_be]

Per total,P5K a iesit binisor din verificarile MS ("Value" awarded),iar MSI Combo se remarca doar prin multe beculete pentru carcase transparente.
Interesant review,de Foxconn Combo nu stiam.

abit IP35 Pro-Hardwareoverclock Editor's Choice,Overclocking Yeah! Award
Google Translate:

Bios:
We save us the words, just hot!
Overclocking:
With µ Guru, it was very easy, in our opinion, too easy.
Price:
The price is ... very interesting.

Our Opinion: Super Overclocking Board!

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Gigabyte GA X38 DQ6 Blog(@clunk.org.uk)

[Solid Build] Single Mossfet area. Compared with other boards this area looks like it's on steroids.

abit IX38 Quad GT - Living Review II(@clunk.org.uk)

updated from Very Disappointed state to The Good & The Bad 23/11/2007 due to Ocing Performance...
Has a max FSB so far of 491, has beeten the Gigabyte X38 DQ6 on all comparisons so far tried.

[Bad Points]
1) Poor Packaging - box too big for the mobo.
2) USB - No Bracket.
3) [No 40mm fans,no retention clips as expected]...
6) I can confirm the keyboard freeze...

abit IX38 Quad GT(@cpu3d)

Pricewise, Abit IX38 Quad GT offers excellent value for money...
But it's the overclocking ability that makes this board shine.

[lucky_may_be]

Foxconn MARS(@PCStats)

Where the Foxconn MARS motherboard really shined was overclocking. With the motherboard completely stock cooled, I was able to push the MARS up to a crazy 535 MHz FSB!
It's the fastest motherboard PCSTATS has tested thus far...

Recommended Product.

[lucky_may_be]

Maximus Formula

[H]Enthusiast Editor's Choice Gold Award

First off there was a cold boot issue with my sample at stock and overclocked speeds.

The ASUS Maximus Formula is an extremely powerful tweaking and overclocking DDR2 motherboard...

Best choice of Quad core o/c,DFI LANParty DK P35 T2RS shows off!

Merits:
1)There is an ID of “Dark” from outside to inside. Looks good.
2)All in solid capacitors and on board Power/ Reset button and those Mosfit heat sink.
3)Rich Bios options for tweaking, particularly in DRAM’s ratio.
4)The FSB record is almost the fastest of all P35 boards in market.
It rocks me when DRAM can reach 1200 & CL4 level.
5) High C/P ratio in DFI LANParty series

Drawbacks:
1)The timing of launching this model is a bit too late to others in market
2)DFI product is being harder to find in channels, it’s inconvenience to buy
3)Although the 3-way Crossfire is not that popular in market yet,
but if the board has one more PCIe x16 slot, the expansibility must be better.

[mascotzel]

Abit IX38 QuadGT (@bit-tech)

Overclocking and Stability
In order to test the CPU voltage droop using digital PWM, we first used an E6750 G0 dual-core processor and found using a default 1.35V it idled at an elevated 1.384V in Windows. When we loaded the processor, the CPU voltage stayed firm between 1.384V and 1.392V, even when left for a while to allow everything to heat up. This is without doubt an excellent result, but for quad-core however, things were a little different. We dropped in a QX9650 and overclocked it up to 450MHz FSB at 1.46V and when it arrived in Windows we found this translated to just 1.376V which stayed the same under load.

So while the voltage is stable, it looks like you have to be a very liberal with it when overclocking a quad-core processor. In this respect we upped the voltage in the BIOS to 1.5+V when going further.

The QX9650 would hit 495MHz FSB just fine, at 1.7V north bridge, 1.51V CPU and 1.45V CPU VTT but crashed on POST at 500MHz. In contrast our old, yet ever capable X6800 sailed through 500MHz FSB at similar voltages however it locked up when we applied load to the system. It wasn't until we dropped it down to 490MHz FSB that it was fully stable.

Stability at BIOS defaults was excellent and the board didn't buckle under the load we put it under for prolonged periods of time. The heatsinks got warm to the touch, but never too hot and the whole machine just kept ticking over.

Value and Conclusions
Where the Asus Maximus Formula had a distinct lack of any performance advantage over P35, it at least offered a kick ass feature set on the board and in the box. The Abit IX38 QuadGT does make for an awesome board and BIOS, but it has a virtually non-existent supporting package and performs worse than its little brother - the IP35 Pro. The features leave me completely polarised:
The BIOS is absolutely lovely to use but its use of DDR2 is not at all optimised
The board looks fantastic and the layout is great, but I don't like the inclusion of an x4 slot over having at least one or two PCI-Express Gigabit Ethernet sockets
The cooling works well and it's got a pretty simple heatsink arrangement, however they are not screwed down like others and the PWM heatsink overlaps the rear I/O, meaning there are only four USB ports available
If you need an extra x4 slot on top of CrossFire, then great, but it's a sacrifice at the cost of other features
The on-board power, reset and clear CMOS buttons get an upgrade but the ones on the Asus Maximus are still better and far less flimsy
There are good, niche features like digital power regulation and fancy new on-board switches but as a whole for what you get, it isn't great value. On paper, before I had looked at the board I was really quite excited by the Abit IX38 QuadGT as it looks like the more attractive deal than the Maximus Formula - it has similar features and it's around £15 cheaper, but now after testing it the Formula is even better value in retrospect.

I like the board in the same way that I liked the Maximus Formula, but its problem is that a six month old P35 board that costs a third less performs just as well, while a basic X38 board with the same core features will save you £20. Again, I'm just finding it hard to justify the extra cost.

Final Thoughts
The Abit IX38 QuadGT is a very solid and stable motherboard that overclocks very well and, as a result, it might appear to be an attractive proposition. Sadly though, it's let down by poor performance, a poor supporting package (which may not be a concern for many) and some of the board's features really polarise my opinion of it.

In the end, I find it hard to justify the IX38 QuadGT's asking price, but if you aren't fazed by the below-par performance and occasionally strange choice on the feature list, the board is solid enough to stand up to a barrage of abuse.

MSI P35 Neo2-FR: Platinum performance for under $100 (@anandtech)

MSI surprised us with the overall performance of the P35 Neo2-FR motherboard. We figured they would neuter the performance of the board so as not to cannibalize sales of the P35 Platinum series. Turns out, we were incorrect. Sure, the Platinum board has FireWire, S/PDIF Optical out, and a conversation generating roller coaster cooling system, but it also costs about $40 more. The performance between the two boards is almost identical making this purchasing decision easy in our opinion unless you need FireWire capabilities. If so, MSI offers the Neo2-FIR for about $10 more.

We are pleased to award the MSI Neo2-FR board our Silver Editors' Choice award. The product quality, component choices, support, features, and overall performance of this board are an absolute steal at its current price of $89. Generally, manufacturers must cut corners to offer the latest Intel chipset technology at prices under $100. It is rare that we see a manufacturer offer what is essentially their premium product in the entry-level category, but MSI managed to do this and actually improve the product at the same time.

Overall, this board certainly has more positives than negatives. Its negatives are generally minor and BIOS tuning will likely solve the few performance problems we encountered during overclocking. To be honest, it's the product quality, MSI's support, and price to performance advantages this board offers that really win us over. If MSI offered better utilities, the ability to control each fan header properly, and a BIOS fully tuned for 4GB overclocking then we would give the board our Gold award. As it stands, MSI has reset our expectations in this market space. Will any of the products from abit, DFI, and Gigabyte in this price bracket surpass MSI's offering? We will that question shortly.

- foarte faina placa de buget

[lucky_may_be]

MSI P35 Neo2-FR e buna si nu prea,cam in pom cu BIOS-ul,experientele sunt cam putine cu ea,ma refer la masa larga de consumatori...
N-am auzit pe nimeni sa se planga ca s-au epuizat stocurile de MSI pe newegg.
Gigabyte si abit sunt alegeri mai sigure decat MSI.

Gigabyte P35 DS4 Newegg Customer Choice Award
Al II-lea Bearlake premiat de newegg e tot Gigi...

Intel DG33TL G33 Express(@SPCR)

The DG33TL (along with the majority of Intel boards) is more suitable for business or workstation environments, where no tinkering is expected where it simply has to work, and absolutely nothing else.

PROS

* Impressive set of features (including eSATA)
* Excellent high definition playback
* Low power consumption
* Large northbridge heatsink
CONS

* BIOS is locked down tight
* Severely limited fan control
(that requires a PWM fan)
* High price
* Lacks HDMI

Consum sub 100 W,ca si abit IP35-E sau Biostar TP35D2-A7 .

DFI Infinity Blood Iron P35-T2RL(@TT)

Overclocking on this board was pretty good considering. The limiting factor was the CPU voltage which would tend to fluctuate under Windows when loaded up. If you set it too low it would under volt and cause system crashes, too high and thermal problems arose.

We did manage to hit a max speed of 502MHz on the FSB [QX6700] with all of the settings available to us.
The best feature we found was the Boot-up Clock...

E clar,nu e pt Quaduri...

Overall Rating: 77% (Very Good)

Totusi la consum e cat P5K,ca sa carcotesc putin.
Evident o alegere f.buna.

Dupa Jetway,alt P35 exotic:
EMAXX EMX-P35-Pro

[lucky_may_be]

Foxconn MARS(@HZ)

Impressively, the MARS also handles overclocking stress very well, being able to detect, and recover from bad overclocks automatically most of the time. This is especially important to avid overclockers, since it means lesser need to use the clear CMOS feature, preserving your BIOS settings.

MARS is a very solid entry from Foxconn into the enthusiast market, and we have no problems recommending this board as an excellent choice for overclockers...

abit IP35-E Video Review(@3GM)
Kickass Product GameMan's Choice Award!
Pictures,Thread & Poll.

[mascotzel]

Universal abit IP35 Motherboard (@tweaktown)

While the board did have an impressive array of overclocking options for a mid-range board, its overall result wasn’t too impressive. We only managed to hit a stable 496MHz FSB. While most boards will break the 500MHz barrier quite easily these days, this board didn’t quite manage to get there.

Final Thoughts

ABIT has recently made a comeback to the motherboard sector, and while the company name may have slightly changed, their board designs certainly haven’t strayed from the original ABIT design.


Looking at the IP35 Off Limits, it has a certain style about it but its feature set is slightly lacking, especially compared to the price. ASUS’s P5K motherboard holds a better performance and feature set compared to the ABIT board, as well as supporting Crossfire graphics cards to boot.

Overall the IP35 Off limits had its good points, but to be fully honest there are better boards out there for your hard earned dollar. ABIT’s strong points aren’t in the mainstream or budget sectors, their big push is in the extreme and hardcore motherboard area and we hope to see a few more of these boards come from the once mighty motherboard giant.

[lucky_may_be]

Ce placa e aia "universal abit"?
Eu n-am auzit... universal abit e adresa de site.
De fapt reviewul e cu IP35 Dark Raider,iar IP35 Off Limits e toata seria(cele 3 placi),nu una singura,cica universala.

ABIT’s strong points aren’t in the mainstream or budget sectors...

Pai in SUA(dar nu numai acolo) "e strong point" IP35-E,se vinde bine si e considerata unanim varianta de buget,se afla demult sub pretul de 100$.
Acum nici 50$ nu poate sa coste,nu e vreun ECS schiop,cu 2 setari de OC,e o placa cu ceva pretentii,care duce un Q6600@3.6-4 GHz.
Cam asus friendly reviewul.