Bearlake in teste

[mascotzel]

Intel P35 chipset does not support Celeron-D and some Pentium 4 Prescotts

A few days ago, we reported about problems booting up board based on P35 with Intel 560 processors. A check on MSI website reveals more about the possible compatibility issues with older CPUs.

We took a look at P35 Neo and found that the board does not support any Celeron-D processors. The Extreme editions are also under tests and may not work properly as yet.

So, if you are thinking of getting a P35 board, please ensure you check out the CPU compatibility list. In most cases, ConRoe processors should work fine on it.
Pentium 4 Extreme Edition
Pentium 4 (Northwood) Extreme Edition 3.4GHz 800 17 Under Testing
Pentium 4 (Prescott) Extreme Edition 3.73GHz 1066 14 OK
Pentium 4 (Prescott, FSB800, L2 Cache 1MB)
Pentium 4 520(J) (2.8GHz) 800 14 Under Testing
Pentium 4 530(J) (3.0GHz) 800 15 Under Testing
Pentium 4 540(J) (3.2GHz) 800 16 Under Testing
Pentium 4 550(J) (3.4GHz) 800 17 Under Testing
Pentium 4 560(J) (3.6GHz) 800 18 Under Testing
Pentium 4 570(J) (3.8GHz) 800 19 Under Testing
Pentium 4 (64Bit, Prescott, FSB533, L2 Cache 1MB)
Pentium 4 506 (2.66GHz) 533 20 NO
Pentium 4 511 (2.8GHz) 533 21 NO
Pentium 4 516 (2.93GHz) 533 22 NO
Pentium 4 517 (2.93GHz) 533 22 NO
Pentium 4 519K (3.06GHz) 533 23 NO
Pentium 4 524 (3.06GHz) 533 23 NO
Pentium 4 (Prescott, FSB533, L2 Cache 1MB)
Pentium 4 505(J) (2.66GHz) 533 20 NO
Pentium 4 515(J) (2.93GHz) 533 22 NO
Celeron D (Cedar Mill, FSB533, L2 Cache 512KB)
Celeron D 347 (3.06GHz) 533 23 NO
Celeron D 352 (3.2GHz) 533 24 NO
Celeron D 356 (3.33GHz) 533 25 NO
Celeron D 360 (3.46GHz) 533 26 NO
Celeron D 365 (3.6GHz) 533 27 NO
Celeron D (64-bit, Prescott, FSB533, L2 Cache 256KB)
Celeron D 326 (2.53GHz) 533 19 NO
Celeron D 331 (2.66GHz) 533 20 NO
Celeron D 336 (2.80GHz) 533 21 NO
Celeron D 341 (2.93GHz) 533 22 NO
Celeron D 346 (3.06GHz) 533 23 NO
Celeron D 351 (3.2GHz) 533 24 NO
Celeron D 355 (3.33GHz) 533 25 NO
Celeron D (Prescott, FSB533, L2 Cache 256KB)
Celeron D 325J (2.53GHz) 533 19 NO
Celeron D 330J (2.66GHz) 533 20 NO
Celeron D 335J (2.8GHz) 533 21 NO
Celeron D 340J (2.93GHz) 533 22 NO

[mascotzel]

Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R (Intel G33) breaks o/c record of Integrated chipset at 490x6

Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R (Intel G33) breaks o/c record of Integrated chipset. It achieved 490MHz x6. Not only that it has the following features:

GA-G33M-DS2R comes with 1 PCIe x4, 2 PCI, 1 PCIe x16. As it has 2 PCIe slots with an open ended PCIe x4, you can run two graphics cards on this board in CrossFire mode too. This mATX completes with top notch features just like any full atx board. They include Realtek HD audio Codec, GbE PHY, TI 1394 controller. There are also 6 orange SATA II connectors supported by ICH9R. To its right is 4 DDR2 slots supporting DDR2-800 (up to 8GB in total). Below it is the IDE connector and 24 pin power and floppy connector.

check the review

[Red_Dragon]

http://www.emag.ro/placi_baza/placa-...5--pP35NEO2-FR

De placuta asta ce ziceti ?! merita achizitionata pt un c2d 6750 ?

[lucky_may_be]

MSI P35 Platinum Review(@fudzilla)

Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R (Intel P35)(@HardwareZone)
Este o placa hibrid...

With DDR3, our observations so far shows you will achieve some performance boost. However, like the MSI P35 Neo Combo before, the improvements do not scale well for current generation DDR3 on Intel's 1066MHz FSB platform.
At DDR3-1066, the bandwidth offered isn't enough to overcome its high latencies.

Would you pay nearly US$30 more just for DDR3 support? With the current limitations of DDR3 both in performance and overclocking, the choice may be a tough one, but DDR3 performance, compatibility and stability can only get better.
The Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R is still an excellent motherboard every way you look at it.

Foxconn chiar mai tarziu decat DFI,dar avand suportul unor ex-ingineri DFI angajati acum la ei,ne pregateste ceva....
Foxconn Mars Gladiator BIOS Preview - juicy voltages for overclocking!(@EliteBastards)
Foxconn Mars mobo to feature a new Gladiator BIOS(@bit-tech.net)

Foxconn's upcoming Mars motherboard, which is based on the P35 chipset and due this September, will include the new Gladiator BIOS that is supposedly "the most advanced and overclocking-friendly BIOS ever developed by Foxconn".

O poza cu superbu-i layout,aici.

Red_Dragon,placa e super-ok,mai ales prin prisma raportului pret/performanta...are dotari (inclusiv DDR2 1066 MHz,2 e-SATA,racirea,etc.),are potential frumos de OC...
Am observat ceva la e-mag,apropo si de postul lui mascotzel despre suport,sunt varzaa cu specificatiile.
De ce?...Bagati ochiul aici....cica un P35 suporta DDR2 533 MHz...

LATER EDIT
Cu suportul lui alex17 GTX de pe XS (roman de-al nostru) am gasit si review:
Foxconn Mars Motherboard(@tbreak)

We overclocked the Engineering Sample and were quite happy to see a stable 515MHz FSB at 1.375V from Mars which is even faster than the ASUS Blitz- beating all other motherboard that we tested so far.

While still an Engineer sample, Mars is showing some pretty good signs by reaching 515MHz FSB- thanks to the solid capacitors and the cool NB fan. We're sure that performance will also be tweaked by the time its release. We also like the looks and design of the board- especially the NB heatsink with a silent fan at high RPM.
The retail sample with the Cool Pipe should further improve the cooling and possibly overclocking potential of this board.

[lucky_may_be]

MSI : 3 cartes P35 comparées(@59hardware)
MSI P35 Platinum
MSI P35 Platinum Combo
MSI P35 Neo Combo-F

[MSI P35 Platinum]Nous avons réussi a atteindre les 530Mhz de FSB de manière totalement stable (boot sous XP a 490Mhz mais pas stable) ; la mémoire a 1066Mhz est également parfaitement supportée.

[lucky_may_be]

Gigabyte P35C-DS3R(@hardwarelogic)

In the end, Gigabyte offers several P35 motherboards, and from what I've seen thus far, you really can't go wrong with any of them.

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Intel to equip X38 boards with new enthusiast features(@TCMagazine)

In order to make the upcoming X38-powered boards even more attractive to PC enthusiasts Intel is preparing two new technologies.
The first new addition is called Extreme Tuning Utility and is a feature than will enable OS-level tweaking of various BIOS settings.
Similar to Nvidia's nTune, the Extreme Tuning Utility will be available only for x38 motherboards and it will be customizable to board manufacturers.

The second Nvidia-like feature that Intel is working on as Extreme Memory, the long lost cousin of SLI Memory.
Extreme Memory will work with specially branded DDR3 memory though which it will offer higher clocks and lower latencies for the most extreme levels of performance. Extreme Memory-ready modules are said to arrive in the form of engineer samples in September from the likes of Kingston and OCZ who are currently working with Intel.

Extreme Memory kits are set to be released in October, just in time for the official launch of the X38 chipset and the avalanche of X38-powered motherboards.

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Ceva de exceptie...
FSB 672.5 MHz!!!...DFI P35-TR2& E6850 with air-cooling

CPU-Z verified
DFI P35-T2R Overclocks To Buggery(@TweakTown)

This achievement would suggest that an FSB of over 600MHz should be easily doable with air cooling on this kickarse board.

[lucky_may_be]

Din nou Abit IP35 Pro...
Universal abit IP35 Pro (Intel P35) Mainboard Review(@ocworkbench)

...se pare ca e o placa cu vitamine sau steroizi.

IP35 Pro stunned me. The score of 8247 is very high for this test[PCmark2005]. If you were to compare to other boards, the results is in the range of 7900-8000. I wonder what steroid did abit feed it.

...calificativul la OC este 10/10.

The BIOS also comes with an amazing range of settings for overclockers. In fact, the ranges are in an insane range. Some of the voltages can go so high that it might just burn out the components on board. So, unless you are watercooling your board, you might need to consider small deltas of changes.

In terms of overclocking, the board is able to POST as high as 525 x 6 on a E6300.
We were able to run it at 520 x 6 stable.
Lowering it to 500MHz is better.

[bonzo_catalin]

Irelevant .

[lucky_may_be]

Originally Posted by bonzo_catalin

Irelevant .

Crezi ce vrei,dar poate ai argumente...sau asteptari prea mari.
Cat despre Abit IP35 Pro,e f. clar,merita sa fie jucaria si celui mai exigent overclocker.
Singurul minus,am puterea sa o spun,ar fi prezenta Jmicron-ului,care uneori isi da in petec,dar se poate da disable.

Bearlake-urile P35,asa cum am anticipat,sunt pe un trend de ieftinire...
Asus anunta ca are overstock de 965 si ca asta n-ar fi o problema,intrucat cererea pt ele e in crestere...
Mai multe aici.(@digitimes)

Other first-tier makers such as Gigabyte Technology and Micro-Star International (MSI) recently dropped prices for their newer Intel 3-series motherboards forcing Asustek to follow suit.
This has resulted in Asustek's own 965 and 3-series motherboards being in competition with each other in the market, noted the sources.

Asustek responded in saying that demand for 965-based motherboards is still rising...

[TraianD]

Originally Posted by lucky_may_be

In terms of overclocking, the board is able to POST as high as 525 x 6 on a E6300. We were able to run it at 520 x 6 stable. Lowering it to 500MHz is better.

Originally Posted by lucky_may_be

Crezi ce vrei,dar poate ai argumente...sau asteptari prea mari. Cat despre Abit IP35 Pro,e f. clar,merita sa fie jucaria si celui mai exigent overclocker.

Asus-ul meu P5B Deluxe booteaza fara probleme la PSB 533 cu 1.45V in MCH si face la frecventa aia (533 x 7, ca procul este E6300) SPi 32M si 3D Mark 2001/2003/2005/2006.
De ce ar fi mai buna Abit IP35 Pro pentru procul meu ?! Nu zic ca placa este rea, dar mie upgrade-ul de la P965 la P35 nu prea mi se pare justificat in termeni de performanta, dotari etc.

[lucky_may_be]

Originally Posted by TraianD

De ce ar fi mai buna Abit IP35 Pro pentru procul meu ?! Nu zic ca placa este rea, dar mie upgrade-ul de la P965 la P35 nu prea mi se pare justificat in termeni de performanta, dotari etc.

Asta e culmea...Abit IP35 Pro,nu e placa rea... poate pt ca ofera nativ cu totul alte largimi de banda (potrivite pt 45nm)...1333 MHz.
...nici BIOS-ul de P5B Deluxe nu cred ca se compara cu cel de Abit P35 in termeni de OC,iar daca mai pui si un Yorkfield la socoteala (sau ,ma rog,ceva pe 1333) e f clar pe ce placa va da cele mai bune rezultate.
...again chipseturile si controllerul de memorie ofera un plus sesizabil la P35 fata de 965...design-ul ,dotarile si BIOS-ul sunt si ele superioare lui P965,iar pretul e cam acelasi...asa ca alegerea e clara...
de fapt P35 a fost creat sa inlocuiasca P965,asa cum X38 va face uitat 975X...

DFI chiar au scos o placa mai tare ca ABIT IP35 PRO... dar si sensibil mai scumpa...
PREVIEW DFI P35-T2R(forumistic/TweakTown)

The E6850 of my own…frankly, it is not that hard to reach FSB500.
But in DFI’s P35, I was surprised it can be easier to get into OS with FSB522.
Most FSB of the CPU can be overclock to around 480 to 550MHz. I tried the
same CPU with other brand’s P35 motherboard. They can’t turn-on the
system when FSB is over 510MHs.
DFI LP UT P35-T2R levels up the FSB to a next level.

PREVIEW DFI P35-T2R(comercial)

[mobutu]

Sa nu ne legam de busul pe 1333 si de proacele (penryn) pe 45nm ... acestea vor merge bine mersi si pe P965 (vezi Asus care a anuntat suport en-masse pentru penryn pe P965, ceilalti producatori vor face la fel, un simplu update de BIOS)

Diferenta sta in controlerul de mem care ofera ~3% mai mult decat P965. Insesizabil in real life.

Ar mai fi DDR3 dar la preturile actuale sa-l vad pe ala care-si cumpara ...

Cu alte cuvinte momentan NU SE JUSTIFICA UPGRADE'UL de la P965 la P35. Eventual doar cand va scadea pretul la DDR3 ceea ce nu se va intampla decat la anul ...
Bineinteles, pentru cine cumpara sistem nou merita P35 (in tandem cu DDR2).

[lucky_may_be]

Nici sa nu va obositi sa cititi (postul 88 din acest thread,daca nu si altele)...

P35 Express clearly is a better product for the money today, in terms of performance, overclockability, and even for environmental reasons.

Nu e numai controllerul de memorie,a fost dovedit si rasdovedit potentialul mai bun de OC pe P35(sa nu-mi spui ca FSB-ul n-are vreo legatura!...),faptul ca e mai rece,consum mai mic(12 W,dar tot e ceva!).
Aduni controller memo+FSB 1333+ICH9+racire mai buna/eficienta(ce permite un dram de OC in plus) si n-are cum sa-ti dea doar 3% diferenta...si sa fie "insesizabil in real life"...link "3%".
Iar ABIT IP35 PRO e o placa de top,first class,cum sa spui ca "nu zic ca e o placa rea"(!?)...
Ca nu se merita upgrade-ul,asta e liber sa decida fiecare,dar P35 e conceput sa fie mai bun decat P965...si chiar este,mai ales in implementarile Abit ,Foxconn(Mars) si DFI.

[mascotzel]

ease up
testul ala arata plusul de performanta,dar exact cum zicea mobutu(prin testele alese)

Originally Posted by mobutu

Diferenta sta in controlerul de mem care ofera ~3% mai mult decat P965. Insesizabil in real life.

[lucky_may_be]

Hai ca sunteti comici...3%...
Aveti cumva vreun P35 pe mana si doar cu lupa vedeti vreo diferenta?!...(daca tot o dati cu real life).

[mascotzel]

stiam eu ca esti fan infocat...

[lucky_may_be]

Intel P35 Motherboards - Five In The Pit(@TweakTown)
Gigabyte P35-DS4
Asus P5K-E
Abit IP35 Pro
Foxconn P35A
ECS P35T-A

ABIT, ASUS and Gigabyte boards have the best BIOS tweaking options, with the Foxconn and ECS falling behind.

With all of this we managed to get some reasonable scores. Our Gigabyte board managed 568MHz, ASUS just behind with 560MHz, ABIT at 557MHz, Foxconn at 438MHz and the ECS only managing 422MHz

[bonzo_catalin]

Originally Posted by Cornel Stefan

mare noroc ca stiai tu

Daca ai prea mult voltaj , iti recomand sa revii la setarile default . Si poti spune ceva , daca ai , evident .

Originally Posted by lucky_may_be

Hai ca sunteti comici...3%...
Aveti cumva vreun P35 pe mana si doar cu lupa vedeti vreo diferenta?!...(daca tot o dati cu real life).

Pe net sunt si multe basme . Nu trebuie sa crezi tot . 965 e mai rapid ca P35 cel putin in SPI .

[mascotzel]

Asus Blitz Formula and Extreme P35 Motherboards (@HotHardware)
ASUS Blitz Formula (@ [H]enthusiast)
ASUS Blitz Extreme(@ [H]enthusiast)

[lucky_may_be]

E6750 & Gigabyte P35-DS4 Overclocking Analysis (@forums.anandtech)

For those interested in the P35-DS4, my overall impression is a very good one.
The build is great and the passive cooling system works brilliantly (especially in the P180) where my chipset temps don’t deviate from 40-41c.

The only thing that stops me from raving about the board is the BIOS. I’ve just from the DFI Lanparty NF4 board and in comparison it needs a lot of work. System monitoring just gives you ‘OK’ rather than voltages running though the components. In the OCing options, you can only set voltage increments (i.e. +0.05 V) rather than actual voltages on everything but the CPU. This means you’ve got to know what the correct voltage should be...

I have the GA-P35-DS3R, but my conclusion is basically identical...
the BIOS is bad for the reasons you cited...