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Old 01-04-2008, 14:10   #1 (permalink)
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Cum intelege Creative sa trateze cumparatorul

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Old 01-04-2008, 18:11   #2 (permalink)
 
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Un articol mult mai bun este aici: http://techgage.com/article/creative...ease_consumers
Este un rezumat al intregii situatii.

Personal, X-FI-ul meu merge f bine pe Win XP, nu mi-a facut probleme pana acum, iar Vista nu am sa bag prea curand. Daca ar fi sa o schimb, as lua un Asus Xonar si nu m-as mai uita inapoi.
 
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Old 01-04-2008, 19:18   #3 (permalink)
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Creative nu mai face nimic de mult in domeniul placilor audio. Ei nu stiu decat sa dea in competitie (si acum imi amintesc cand au trucat niste teste ca sa demonstreze ca placile lor sunt mai bune decat M-Audio, cand nu erau). Acum s-au luat si de Xonar ca nu ar avea EAX nativ. Ca doar cu atat au ramas cu EAX, ca in rest sunt varza. Seria X-Fi e o nenorocire, se aud extrem de prost la cat costa. Audigy la fel, a fost o manevra de marketing fata de Live! 5.1. Si ce s-au gandit baietii, ca au nevoie clientii lor de o placa noua, si cum nici dracu nu si-ar fi inlocuit placa lui cu alta la fel ca performante, interzic drivere pe vechile placi pt. Vista, urmand sa lanseze ei o noua serie de placi cu suport Vista sa mai faca si ei un ban "cinstit". Creative au fost, acum sunt doar cea mai proasta solutie de placi video.
 
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tocmai, placile creative sunt foarte bune. si cele din seria Audigy sunt chiar foarte bune. problema o reprezinta driverele si softul. mai bine zis, lipsa lor, in special pe vista. o placa audigy are un potential foarte mare, dar este gatuita in mod intentionat de cei de la creative, tocmai pentru a forta clientii sa cumpere x-fi. ei spuneau ca dvd audio in vista, nu merge decat pe x-fi. uite ca acel programator, daniel_k a reusit sa rezolve problema si pe audigy. cu driverele si softul de la el, o placa audigy este aproape la fel de buna ca un x-fi. de asta cei de la creative incearca sa-l oblige pe acest programator sa nu mai scoata drivere si soft pentru audigy si vista. e simplu, le strica strategia abuziva de marketing.
aici nu e vorba de alte placi, ci doar de creative.
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:09   #5 (permalink)
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... de asta cei de la creative incearca sa-l oblige pe acest programator sa nu mai scoata drivere si soft pentru audigy si vista. e simplu, le strica strategia abuziva de marketing.
aici nu e vorba de alte placi, ci doar de creative.
E o practica des intalnita de foarte mult timp la procesoare(schimbarea multiplicator/fsb) si obtii aceleasi rezultate ca si un produs mai scump sau la placi video(deblocarea pipe-line-urilor sua overclock-ul).Era si cazul sa apara la alte componente ale pc-ului.
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Old 02-04-2008, 09:23   #6 (permalink)
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Trebuie sa fac rost de driverele astea inainte sa "dispara".

Oricum nici daniel_k nu a procedat ok cand a cerut donatii pentru un software reverse-engineered si copyrighted.
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Old 02-04-2008, 11:40   #9 (permalink)
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tocmai, placile creative sunt foarte bune. si cele din seria Audigy sunt chiar foarte bune. problema o reprezinta driverele si softul. mai bine zis, lipsa lor, in special pe vista.
Tu glumesti. Ce dracu e foarte bun la ele, ca mereu au costat un purcoi de bani cind au aparut si intotdeauna au avut nistre drivere... Malware pe fata. Imi instalau 10 DLL-uri de 5 MB si apoi 200 MB de programe nedorite. Toate cacaturile lor de playere, de n-am atins unul in viata mea.

Ca sa nu mai vorbim de componentele folosite... Tu ai auzit vreodata un Audigy in paralel cu o alta placa de top a momentului ? Intotdeauna iti luai teapa cu placile lu Creative... Drivere proaste, resampling inutil de la 48 KHz... Toate astea pentru un amarit de EAX pe care eu l-am considerat mereu o mare teapa.

Am pus de curind un Ubuntu pe vechiul meu PC, pe care aveam un X-fi Music. M-am dus pe site la Creative, surprise: doar drivere de Linux 64, si alea beta. Asa ca am stat cu "beep, beep". Sa-i "beep" io pe ei.

Acum, cu Vista si cu accesul interzis la kernel, e momentul sa moara dracu' EAX-ul si sa ne lase si Creative... Go dupa 3dfx, ca nu va plinge nimeni. Creative e un dinozaur care tine cu ultimii colti de viata...
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A reusit cineva sa gaseasca driverele lu' Daniel_K ? Ma chinui sa gasesc si eu drivere de XP moddate de el.. pentru audigy 2 zs.. :-<
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A reusit cineva sa gaseasca driverele lu' Daniel_K ? Ma chinui sa gasesc si eu drivere de XP moddate de el.. pentru audigy 2 zs.. :-<
Le gasesti destul de usor, CD-ul pentru Vista merge si pe XP. E un ISO de 700MB care are tot ce-ti trebuie.
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aici sunt toate softurile si driverele facute de el pt creative: link sper sa nu-mi iau vreun warn sau ceva
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Old 02-04-2008, 14:21   #14 (permalink)
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The huge task of developing driver updates to accommodate the many changes in the Vista operating system and the extensive testing required, including the lengthy Vista certification requirements for audio, makes it very difficult for Creative to develop updates for all past products.
Hai mai da-o dracu de treaba, la placile video cum au fost in stare sa scoata drivere care sa suporte DX10, a trecut totusi un an si ceva

Si de cand X-FI sunt "past products"?
 
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aici sunt toate softurile si driverele facute de el pt creative: link sper sa nu-mi iau vreun warn sau ceva
pai si cine stie ce si cum trebe downloadat d`acolo, de ex pt audigy 2zs (un exemplu fictiv evident)
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Old 02-04-2008, 16:57   #17 (permalink)
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http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/0..._k-who-fi.html

Features that I've successfully enabled:

- Dolby/DTS decoding (originally discovered by another Creative forum member, but I've explained how to use it)
- CMSS, CMSS2 and Stereo Surround (originally only "CMSS" was available, this setting also affects ALchemy/OpenAL, so it is really useful)
- Advanced EQ and Special FX presets
- DVD Audio
- Hardware MIDI synthetizer (I wrote a small utility that automatically detects and changes the default Vista MIDI Synth during driver install or can change it later using its GUI. Some media players lets you choose the MIDI synthesizer)
- Equalizer (with preset saving, very hard to accomplish, had to deal with bugs in Creative software and use my creativity to find a workaround).
- WaveRT (a Microsoft replacement for ASIO, however I don't know if it really works or not)
- Successfully enabled the software-based X-Fi Crystalizer for use with Audigy cards.

daniel_k:
I've deleted the P17 to Xtreme Audio mod and ALchemy from FileFront (where I store the files).
(The P17 to Xtreme Audio mod
P17 is the codiname for a simple PCI audio controller that powers the Audigy LS/SE/Value, Live! 24-bit and X-Fi Xtreme Audio host-based soundcards.

Completely modded the P17 drivers to transform any Audigy LS/SE/Value and Live! 24-bit into a X-Fi Xtreme Audio (enabling Crystalizer).)
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Old 02-04-2008, 17:13   #18 (permalink)
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Old 02-04-2008, 17:19   #19 (permalink)
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Si pe mine m-ar interesa modul, daca il are cineva, sau stiti vreun link de unde poate fi descarcat pls share.
 
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Old 02-04-2008, 17:22   #20 (permalink)
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modul nu-l mai gasiti:
The current situation

DDL encoder and Crystalizer were not publicly released.

I've deleted the P17 to Xtreme Audio mod and ALchemy from FileFront (where I store the files).


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