"Civilizatie"

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partea 2

Dar Takerii au spus, “Nu intelegeti. Modul vostru de viata nu numai ca este ineficient si risipitor, este gresit. Oamenii nu au fost meniti sa traiasca asa cum traiti voi. Oamenii au fost meniti sa traiasca asa cum Takerii traiesc.”
“Cum puteti sti asemenea lucruri?” au intrebat Waddi.
“E foarte clar,” au raspuns Takerii. ”Doar priviti cat succes avem. Daca nu am trai asa cum oamenii au fost meniti sa traiasca, atunci nu am avea asa de mult succes.”
“Noi nu vedem lucrurile asa,” au raspuns Waddi.”Fortati oamenii sa danseze zece sau doisprezece ore pe zi doar ca sa ramana in viata, si asta e un mod groaznic de a trai. Noi dansam doar cateva ore pe luna si nu suntem niciodata flamanzi, pentru ca toata hrana din lume este chiar aici, gata pentru a fi luata. Traim o viata usoara si fara griji, acesta este succesul.”
Takerii au spus, “Nu acela inseamna succes. Veti vedea ce este succesul cand ne vom trimite trupele sa va impinga pe pamantul pe care l-am pus deoparte pentru voi.”

Si Waddi au aflat intr-adevar despre succes – sau macar despre cea ce Takerii considerau succes – cand soldatii Takerilor au venit sa ii alunge de pe pamantul natal. Acesti soldati nu erau mai curajosi sau mai priceputi dar erau mai multi si puteau aduce intariri dupa dorinta, cea ce Waddi nu puteau. Invadatorii aveau si arme mai avansate, si cel mai important, rezerve nelimitate de hrana, cea ce Waddi cu siguranta nu aveau. Soldatii Takeri nu trebuiau sa se ingrijoreze niciodata din pricina hranei, deoarece transporturi proaspete veneau in fiecare zi de pe pamantul lor, unde era produsa incontinuu. Cu cat razboiul dura mai mult cu atat fortele Waddi deveneau mai mici si mai slabe, si in curand invadatorii i-au cucerit complet

Acesta va fi modelul nu numai pentru anii viitori ci si penru secolele si mileniile viitoare. Productia de hrana crestea incontinuu, iar populatia Takerilor crestea fara la fel, obligandu-i sa se extinda neancetat, teritoriu dupa teritoriu. Oriunde mergeau gaseau oameni care dansau cateva ore pe saptamana sau pe luna, si tuturor le-au oferit aceeasi alegere pe care le-au oferit-o popoarelor Senge, Kemke si Waddi: Uniti-va cu noi si lasati-ne sa va inchidem hrana – sau veti fi distrusi. In final aceasta alegere era doar o iluzie pentru ca erau distrusi orice ar fi facut, fie ca se lasau asimilati, dusi intr-o rezervatie sau incercau sa se lupte cu invadatorii. Takerii nu lasau nimic in urma lor decat takeri in timp ce se extindeau pe intreaga planeta.

Si in final dupa aproape zece mii de ani aproape intreaga populatie din Terpsichore erau Takeri. Mai erau doar cateva ramasite ale popoarelor de Leaveri, ascunse in deserturi sau jungle unde Takerii fie nu vroiau sa mearga fie nu ajunsesera inca. Si nu era nimeni printre Takeri care sa se indoiasca ca modul de viata Taker e cel menit pentru oameni. Ce putea fi mai dulce decat sa ai hrana inchisa si pazita si sa trebuiasca sa dansezi opt sau zece sau doisprezece ore pe zi pentru a ramane in viata ?

In scoala, aceasta era istoria pe care copii lor o invatau. Oameni ca ei existau de cam trei milioane de ani, dar in cea mai mare parte nu stiau ca dansul incurajeaza cresterea hranei preferate. Acest lucru a fost descoperit doar cu zece mii de ani in urma, de catre fondatorii culturii lor. Fericiti, inchizandu-si hrana pentru ca sa nu poata ajunge la ea, Takerii au inceput imediat sa danseze opt sau zece ore pe zi. Oamenii din jurul lor nu mai dansasera niciodata, dar au acceptat cu entuziasm, vazand dintr-o data ca acesta este modul in care oamenii erau meniti sa traiaca. Cu exceptia catorva popoare risipite care erau prea tari de cap ca sa priceapa avantajele inchiderii hranei, Marea Revolutie a dansului s-a intins asupra intregii lumi fara opozitie.

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Crazy Horse, Tashunkewitko of the western Sioux, was born about 1845. Killed at Fort Robinson, Nebraska in 1877, he lived barely 33 years.

As a boy, Crazy Horse seldom saw white men. Sioux parents took pride in teaching their sons and daughters according to tribal customs. Often giving food to the needy, they exemplified self-denial for the general good. They believed in generosity, courage, and self-denial, not a life based upon commerce and gain.

One winter when Crazy Horse was only five, the tribe was short of food. His father, a tireless hunter, finally brought in two antelope. The little boy rode his pony through the camp, telling the old folks to come for meat, without first asking his parents. Later when Crazy Horse asked for food, his mother said, "You must be brave and live up to your generous reputation."

It was customary for young men to spend much time in prayer and solitude, fasting in the wilderness --typical of Sioux spiritual life which has since been lost in the contact with a material civilization.

Native Americans - Sioux

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Cum traiau indienii Lakota :

YouTube - The Lakota Way 1

YouTube - The Lakota Way 1

YouTube - The Lakota Way 2

YouTube - The Lakota Way 2

YouTube - The Lakota Way 3

YouTube - The Lakota Way 3

Cum impaci invataturile "du-te fa bani, lupta cu ceilalti pentru supravietuire" cu "traieste pentru binele celorlalti, sau al societatii" ? Nu le impaci, trebuie sa scapi de prima. Contrar ideii populare de "salbatec" indienii astia nu aveau prima invatatura, si nu aveau nici bani. O aveau numai pe a doua, binele tuturor era si binele personal.

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Acum, cum traiesc oamenii moderni :
She cried rape — and no one helped - TODAY People

The young woman had been attacked in full view of a New York City subway clerk, then dragged down the steps onto a deserted platform where she was raped and raped again, the assailant not stopping even when a subway train pulled into the station.

Now, after nearly four years of constant nightmares, bouts of depression and anxiety, the woman has been told by a judge that two transit workers who saw her being attacked had no obligation to do anything to help her other than to signal their superiors that police were needed at the station.

The MTA issued a statement that said, “It is important to note that while NYC Transit workers are trained to the highest degree of professionalism in their assigned jobs, they are not and should not be expected to perform in the capacity of law enforcement officers.”

As the police arrived, the assailant fled the station and has never been apprehended.

Ia ziceti : "un incident izolat, nu arata ca ceva undeva e putred in organizarea noastra". Sigur ca da...Oamenii moderni sunt "fara dumnezeu". Nu vorbesc de religie. Fiecare isi creeaza propriul univers si pune valoare pe ce are chef. De cele mai multe ori pe nimic, sau numai pe lucrurile bune pentru el insusi. Nu exista o unitate.

"Comportamentul" spaniolilor in lumea noua :
http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/wor...k_files=283563

"...From which time they began to consider by what wayes and
means they might expel the _Spaniards_ out of their Countrey, and
immediately took up Arms. But, good God, what Arms, do you imagin?
Namely such, both Offensive and Defensive, as resemble Reeds wherewith
Boys sport with one another, more than Manly Arms and Weapons.

Which the _Spaniards_ no sooner perceived, but they, mounted on
generous Steeds, well weapon'd with Lances and Swords, begin to
exercise their bloody Butcheries and Strategems, and overrunning their
Cities and Towns, spar'd no Age, or Sex, nay not so much as Women with
Child, but ripping up their Bellies, tore them alive in pieces. They
laid Wagers among themselves, who should with a Sword at one blow cut,
or divide a Man in two; or which of them should decollate or behead a
Man, with the greatest dexterity; nay farther, which should sheath his
Sword in the Bowels of a Man with the quickest dispatch and expedition.

They snatcht young Babes from the Mothers Breasts, and then dasht out
the brains of those innocents against the Rocks; others they cast into
Rivers scoffing and jeering them, and call'd upon their Bodies when
falling with derision, the true testimony of their Cruelty, to come to
them, and inhumanely exposing others to their Merciless Swords,
together with the Mothers that gave them Life.

They erected certain Gibbets, large, but low made, so that their feet
almost reacht the ground, every one of which was so order'd as to bear
Thirteen Persons in Honour and Reverence (as they said blasphemously)
of our Redeemer and his Twelve Apostles, under which they made a Fire
to burn them to Ashes whilst hanging on them: But those they intended
to preserve alive, they dismiss'd, their Hands half cut, and still
hanging by the Skin, to carry their Letters missive to those that fly
from us and ly sculking on the Mountains, as an exprobation of their
flight.

Erau spaniolii astia toti elevii lui Hannibal Lecter ? Erau psihopati ucigasi ? Nu. In Spania ar fi fost foarte "normali si civilizati". Asa cum suntem si noi. Sau americanii. Dar cand oamenii sunt lasati de imprejuari sa isi dea masca jos, atunci se dovedeste artificialitatea societatii moderne. Atunci se comporta ca spaniolii aia, sau apare un Abu Ghraib care ii face pe toti sa se intrebe "dar cum e posibil ??" Jucam un rol in fiecare zi, pe strada, la servici, o masca "angajatul credincios", "cetateanul civilizat". Daca dispare politia dispar si mastile, vedeti voi atunci "civilizatie".
Cautati experimentul Stanford.
Indienii nu purtau masti, erau sinceri in tot comportamentul lor. Nu aveau cum sa "se razvrateasca" si sa fie "wild and free",pentru ca erau deja. Dar stateau impreuna si functionau foarte bine impreauna, fara sa fie obligati de nimeni. Nici sefu tribului nu putea sa "faca instructie" cu vreun indian. Ar fi fost un lucru "nesimtit". Uimitor.

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Then there's the secretive Tarahumara tribe, the best long-distance runners in the world. These are a people who live in basic conditions in Mexico, often in caves without running water, and run with only strips of old tyre or leather thongs strapped to the bottom of their feet. They are virtually barefoot.

Come race day, the Tarahumara don't train. They don't stretch or warm up. They just stroll to the starting line, laughing and bantering, and then go for it, ultra-running for two full days, sometimes covering over 300 miles, non-stop. For the fun of it. One of them recently came first in a prestigious 100-mile race wearing nothing but a toga and sandals. He was 57 years old.

When it comes to preparation, the Tarahumara prefer more of a Mardi Gras approach. In terms of diet, lifestyle and training technique, they're a track coach's nightmare. They drink like New Year's Eve is a weekly event, tossing back enough corn-based beer and homemade tequila brewed from rattlesnake corpses to floor an army.

Unlike their Western counterparts, the Tarahumara don't replenish their bodies with electrolyte-rich sports drinks. They don't rebuild between workouts with protein bars; in fact, they barely eat any protein at all, living on little more than ground corn spiced up by their favourite delicacy, barbecued mouse.

How come they're not crippled?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/ar...aste-money.html

Pentru cine spune "vai ce rau traiau oamenii inainte de era moderna, aveau numai boli si mureau la 20 de ani" cititi mai sus despre niste oameni sanatosi.

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Nu te-ai plictisit de monologul asta steril ?

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Ba da, cred ca imi fac un blog

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Mie mi se pare interesant... sa ma tii la curent daca iti faci blog

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Observing a prisoner exchange between the Iroquois and the French in upper New York in 1699, Cadwallader Colden is blunt: “ notwithstanding the French Commissioners took all the Pains possible to carry Home the French, that were Prisoners with the Five Nations, and they had full Liberty from the Indians, few of them could be persuaded to return. “Nor, he has to admit, is this merely a reflection on the quality of French colonial life, “for the English had as much Difficulty” in persuading their redeemed to come home, despite what Colden would claim were the obvious superiority of English ways:

No Arguments, no Intreaties, nor Tears of their Friends and Relations, could persuade many of them to leave their new Indian Friends and Acquaintance; several of them that were by the Caressings of their Relations persuaded to come Home, in a little Time grew tired of our Manner of living, and run away again to the Indians, and ended their Days with them. On the other Hand, Indian Children have been carefully educated among the English, cloathed and taught, yet, I think, there is not one Instance, that any of these, after they had Liberty to go among their own People, and were come to Age, would remain with the English, but returned to their own Nations, and became as fond of the Indian Manner of Life as those that knew nothing of a civilized Manner of Living. And, he concludes, what he says of this particular prisoner exchange “has been found true on many other Occasions.”

Benjamin Franklin was even more pointed: When an Indian child is raised in white civilization, he remarks, the civilizing somehow does not stick, and at the first opportunity he will go back to his red relations, from whence there is no hope whatever of redeeming him. But when white persons of either sex have been taken prisoners young by the Indians, and have lived a while among them, tho’ ransomed by their Friends, and treated with all imaginable tenderness toprevail with them to stay among the English, yet in a Short time they become disgusted with our manner of life, and the care and pains that are necessary to support it, and take the firstgood Opportunity of escaping again into the Woods, from whence there is no reclaiming them.


There was always the great woods, and the life to be lived within it was, Crevecoeur admits, “singularly captivating,” perhaps even superior to that so boasted of by the transplanted Europeans. For, as many knew to their rueful amazement, “thousands of Europeans are Indians, and we have no examples of even one of those aborigines having from choice become Europeans!”

Ce ii facea pe acei oameni sa fuga de "civilizatie" si sa doreasca sa ramana in noul lor trib de indieni indiferenti chiar fata de propriile familii ? Magie voodoo ? Nebunie ? Nu e civilizatia noastra cea mai buna ? Care e problema?
De ce nu vor toti sa ni se alature ?
De ce nu exista un singur inidan adoptat de "noi" (noi nu existam) care sa nu vrea pentru nimic in lume sa se intoarca la ai lui ? Vedeti mai sus ce spune Benjamin Franklin. Chiar asa de rai suntem ? Problema e ca noi am facut lucrarea - civilizatia, si noi ne-am dat nota. Nu acceptam comentarii de la nimeni.

Ce aveau ei si nu avem noi era comunitatea, familia. Era ca si cum ai fi fost acceptat in mafie dar fara partea cu profit/capitalism. Noi nu avem asta. Nu exista "noi". Asta cauta oamenii si nu isi dau seama, de asta isi umplu vietile cu lucruri materiale, alcoolism, droguri, crime, bani, si nu isi dau seama ce cauta.
Odata acceptat intr-o asemenea familie nu mai pleci, nu mai vrei sa pleci, nu ai de ce. Iti dai seama ca ai gasit ce cautai. Vedeti mai sus. Povestile despre copii ramasi orfani la Hiroshima care traisera cativa ani pe strazi, apoi au fost dusi in scoli/camine dar fugeau de acolo chiar daca aveau mancare, pentru ca simtisera gustul libertatii, sunt adevarate. Partea proasta e ca nu mai aveau unde sa fuga, sa fie oameni liberi, sa traiasca dupa un alt model pierdut acum 150 de ani.

The sadness of the modern age is that the public needs to be reminded of“unchangeable human needs.” This truth is not something to be imposed upon them, but something to be evoked within them. The fact is that people do not feel satisfied in the roles assigned to them by civilization. There is a widespread feeling that one’s true identity or potential is not being fulfilled, but unfortunately there is no awareness of the tribal selfexcept among a small minority of individuals. Once the message of a tribal self is re-introduced into public consciousness, it may lie dormant in the minds of individuals for a long time, but it is never entirely forgotten again, as it was in childhood. This message is the catalyst for an intellectual awakening among the population, accompanied by the feeling that something old and familiar has been uncovered.

The importance of this self-respect as a prime motivator of human nature can hardly be overstated; it may enable an individual to defy civilization, even in the face of the hatred of the whole modern world. When an individual acquires fundamental self-respect, then s/he will be made a fool no longer, and all the blows of civilization are nothing but the battlescars of a proud warrior. Civilization is powerless against it, because a person who has re-claimed fundamental self-respect cares nothing about the laws and standards of civilization.

This self-respect leads to genuine self-love, the second and decisive step on the path to sanity, for self-love (and happiness in large measure) consists in becoming one’s own ideal again, as in childhood. This self-love eventually overflows and becomes love for others and for external nature.

Glenn Parton: “The Machine in Our Heads” (1997)

The managers of Gulag's islands tell us that the swimmers, crawlers, walkers and fliers spent
their lives working in order to eat.

These managers are broadcasting their news too soon. The varied beings haven't all been
exterminated yet. You, reader, have only to mingle with them, or just watch them from a
distance, to see that their waking lives are filled with dances, games and feasts. Even the
hunt, the stalking and feigning and leaping, is not what we call Work, but what we call Fun.
The only beings who work are the inmates of Gulag's islands, the zeks.
The zeks ancestors did less work than a corporation owner. They didn't know what work was.
They lived in a condition J.J. Rousseau called ?the state of nature. Rousseau's term should
be brought back into common use. It grates on the nerves of those who, in R. Vaneigem's
words, carry cadavers in their mouths. It makes the armor visible. Say the state of nature
and you'll see the cadavers peer out.

Insist that freedom and the state of nature are synonyms, and the cadavers will try to bite
you. The tame, the domesticated, try to monopolize the word freedom; they'd like to apply it to
their own condition. They apply the word wild to the free. But it is another public secret that
the tame, the domesticated, occasionally become wild but are never free so long as they
remain in their pens.

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But none of them ever worked. And everyone knows it. The armored Christians who later
“discovered” these communities knew that these people did no work, and this knowledge
grated on Christian nerves, it rankled, it caused cadavers to peep out. The Christians spoke of
women who did “lurid dances” in their fields instead of confining themselves to chores; they
said hunters did a lot of devilish “hocus pocus” before actually drawing the bowstring.

These Christians, early time-and-motion engineers, couldn’t tell when play ended and work
began. Long familiar with the chores of zeks, the Christians were repelled by the lurid and
devilish heathen who pretended that the Curse of Labor had not fallen on them. The
Christians put a quick end to the “hocus pocus” and the dances, and saw to it that none could
fail to distinguish work from play.

Our ancestors I’ll borrow Turner’s term and call them the Possessed had more important
things to do than to struggle to survive.

Fredy Perlman: Against His-story, Against Leviathan! (1983)

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The example of Savages, who have almost all been found at this point, seems to confirm that
the human Race was made to remain in it, the state of Nature, always; that this state is the
veritable youth of the World; and that all subsequent progress has been in appearance so
many steps toward the perfection of the individual, and in fact toward the decrepitude of the
species.

But from the moment one man needed
the help of another, as soon as they observed that it was useful for a single person to have
provisions for two, equality disappeared, property was introduced, labor became necessary;
and vast forests were changed into smiling Fields which had to be watered with the sweat of
men, and in which slavery and misery were soon seen to germinate and grow with the crops.
Metallurgy and agriculture were the two arts whose invention produced this great revolution.
For the Poet it is gold and silver, but for the Philosopher it is iron and wheat which have
Civilized men and ruined the human Race.

Jean-Jacques Rousseau: Discourse on the Origins of Inequality
(1754)

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Cum a aparut civilizatia ? Din ce vad azi, oamenii sunt mai inclinati sa stea, pentru ca sunt lucruri mai importante in viata decat sa isi piarda vremea muncind. La fel cum faceau vanatorii culegatori care munceau mult mai putin decat primii agricultori.
Singurii care duc "civilizatia" inainte sunt aia de sus, care ii au prinsi pe toti astia de jos in sistem si ii obliga sub amenintarea cu moartea prin infometare sa intre in sistem si sa munceasca pentru ei.
Deci cum au inceput toate astea. Teoria mea spune ca e nevoie de un anumit tip de religie - care nu exista la toate triburile, si nu avea cum sa apara la toate.

Acest tip de religie baga frica in oameni, ii face sa lase modul lor de viata in paradis si sa treaca la munca pentru o clasa privilegiata.

The oil we eat: Following the food chain back to Iraq—By Richard Manning (Harper's Magazine)

Agriculture is a recent human experiment. For most of human history, we lived by gathering or killing a broad variety of nature's offerings. Why humans might have traded this approach for the complexities of agriculture is an interesting and long-debated question, especially because the skeletal evidence clearly indicates that early farmers were more poorly nourished, more disease-ridden and deformed, than their hunter-gatherer contemporaries. Farming did not improve most lives. The evidence that best points to the answer, I think, lies in the difference between early agricultural villages and their pre-agricultural counterparts—the presence not just of grain but of granaries and, more tellingly, of just a few houses significantly larger and more ornate than all the others attached to those granaries. Agriculture was not so much about food as it was about the accumulation of wealth. It benefited some humans, and those people have been in charge ever since.

Gata am gasit : extraterestrii cei rai i-au invatat pe oameni agricultura, si s-au dat drept zei ca sa aiba servitori. Tot ei au inventat conceptul de bani. De acolo a pornit totul. Am gasit pe cine sa dau vina

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Hunter Gatherers And The Golden Age Of Man

* Their work week is short enough to make us drool in envy.
* They enjoy almost unbelievable egalitarianism
* The religious gasp at their high levels of sexual freedom, experimentation, and enjoyment.
* They're damn happy people, laughing freely way more than we do.
* Outside a division of labor, women have total social equality with men.
* They rarely resort to violence or war
* Strong social safety nets in most of their societies support the disabled, old, and in many cases, even the lazy.
* They usually live to be at least as old as we do
* Their health is more robust than ours, and they're frequently immune to diseases ravaging their sedentary neighbors.
* Their social lives are rich, and they have the free time to indulge themselves.
* With a few exceptions, their lifestyle lets them live in harmony with the earth, relying mostly on renewable resources, and keeping their numbers at a sustainable level.
* Their senses appear many times sharper than their own, and many seem curiously immune to extremes of temperature.
* Their strength often seems unbelievable.
* They intelligently use their time to create more productive environments that needs little care.

Cititi tot articolul, ofera descrieri, surse si explicatii pentru toate minunile de mai sus. "Minuni" pentru sclavi ca noi. Si mai ne numim "Homo Sapiens".

Almost universally, anthropologists remark on how ridiculously happy hunter gatherers seem to be. Laughter is far more common in their societies.

Of the !Kung: "Bursts of laughter accompany the conversations. Sometimes the !Kung laugh mildly with what we would call a sense of humor about people and events; often they shriek and howl as though laughter were an outlet for tension. They laugh at mishaps that happen to other people, like the lions eating up someone else's meat, and shriek over particularly telling and insulting sexual sallies...(15)".

Laurens van der Post expressed wonder at the exuberant San laugh, which rises "sheer from the stomach, a laugh you never hear among civilized people. (17)."

There's little wonder why. With no stressful work and plenty of time to socialize with friends and family, or engage in other pursuits they enjoy, what's not to be happy about?

Don't let old tales of bloodthirsty natives fool you; hunter gatherers are peaceful people.

The warlike nature of Native Americans, for instance, was mostly fabricated by Europeans to legitimize conquest. Most didn't start fighting seriously until it became clear the Europeans would not be content until the natives were wiped out and they controlled all the land (30).

Homicides and suicides in hunter gatherer societies are incredibly rare (29).

The !Kung hate fighting, and think anybody who fights is rather stupid (3). The Mbuti, "look on any form of violence between one person and another with great abhorrence and distaste, and never represent it in their dancing or playacting"

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Daniel Quinn - Ishmael (English) - Fiction, Books, and Daniel

The Story of B, by Daniel Quinn

Daniel Quinn - My Ishmael

Zerzan - Against Civilization - Readings and Reflections (1999)

Howard Zinn - a People's History of United States - 1492-Present

The Machine in our Heads--Glenn Parton

Alone in a Crowd

Online Reader - Project Gutenberg

YouTube - HOME (English with subtitles)

YouTube - HOME (English with subtitles)

The Story of Stuff with Annie Leonard

The oil we eat: Following the food chain back to Iraq—By Richard Manning (Harper's Magazine)

The Gospel of Consumption | Orion Magazine

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YouTube - Agnostic Front - "Gotta Go" Epitaph Records

YouTube - Agnostic Front - "Gotta Go" Epitaph Records

Era odata un indian. Si a omorat-o pe Godzila. A luat inima ei care era magica si indeplinea orice dorinta ! Apoi a avut tot ce dorea el. Dar inima asta trebuia tinuta ascunsa de ceilalti indeini altfel isi pierdea puterea. Si il punea in fiecare zi la munca, sa faca tot felul de ritualuri. Il ameninta - daca nu face ce spune ea nu va mai avea nimic. Si indianul facea. Pana intr-o zi cand s-a saturat si a aratat-o tuturor. Inima s-a transformat intr-un bolovan si ceilalti nu intelegeau ce vrea sa le arate. End.

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Jet Li, te apreciez.

YouTube - The Arrivals pt.23 (Materialism & The Battle Within)

YouTube - The Arrivals pt.23 (Materialism & The Battle Within)

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De ce oamenii trebuie sa "produca" sau sa "ofere" sau sa fie "folositori" ? De ce nu pot doar sa traiasca ?
Amintiti-va cand erati mici, aveati un grup de prieteni ? Le cereati sa fie "folositori" ? Nu, ar fi fost un lucru nesimtit. Ar fi distrus relatia bazata pe joaca si respectarea libertatii celorlalti. Si totusi ramaneati impreuna, fara prostii materialiste gen "folositor". Oamenii nu sunt masini sa faca totul pentru "eficienta".

Desigur apoi vine societatea moderna si impune dictatura "folositorului" care nu e ceva natural pentru oameni.

Cititi "The Continuum concept". Vorbeste despre un trib din Venezuela. Acolo nimeni nu spunea nimanui ce sa faca. Dar functionau ca un trib si erau fericiti. Nici macar copiilor nu li se spune ce sa faca - si nu sunt batuti sau amenintati niciodata in viata (la fel aflam ca se intampla si cu copii Sioux). Si totusi cand cresc nu sunt niste rasfatati care sa nu fie in stare de nimic. Uimitor - spune omul masina modern !
Un copil de 11 ani e liber sa decida singur unde se duce si ce face. De exemplu un copil a ramas cu scriitoarea si echipa ei 3 zile departe de trib dupa ce adultii cu care venise au plecat. Nu si-au impus vointa asupra lui. Nu li se dau ordine. Fac singuri - si nu pentru ca ii ameninta cineva "fa asta sau nu mai mananci". De asemenea scriitoarea observa cat de veseli sunt oamenii astia tot timpul. La fel ca povestile despre indienii din America de Nord. La fel ca povestile despre oamenii (nu "inidgenii" sau "maimutele") gasiti in Cuba si exterminati, vanduti sclavi, omorati de placere, etc. Dar progresul si "folositorul" cere sacrificii ! Desigur vine omul modern indoctrinat si spune "viziuni romantice, nu puteau fi fericiti fara lucrul X folositor !".

Adica toti astia care au descris viata triburilor ne mint. Povestile despre albii care au fost luati prizonieri de indieni si apoi nu mai voiau sa se intoarca la "civilizatie" nici pentru propriile familii sunt inventii. de fapt omul modern refuza sa le priveasca altfel. Ar insemna o tradare, egoul nu ii permite. Egoul in care a investit atata "munca folositoare", nu poate sa nu insemne nimic ! Fericirea trebuie sa vina , tehnologia si munca-sclavie-pierderea timpului ne vor salva ! Nu se poate sa fie totul pentru nimic ! Singurul motiv pentru care nu am "reusit" inca e pentru ca oamenii sunt prin natura rai, prosti, egoisti, etc. (Cea ce e fals). Asta e explicatia singura acceptata de omul modern. Refuza sa recunoasca esecul organizarii bazate pe ego - (pentru ca economia sa functioneaze, toti cei implicati trebuie sa aiba un ego pe care sa il hraneasca cu lucruri "folositoare"), cauta alte motive.

De ce e falsa idea ca "prin natura lor" oamenii sunt rai ? Pot sa va explic eu - cat mai pe scurt. Desigur va recomand sa cititi mai multe carti unde se explica mai bine. Una ar fi "The Continuum Concept". Restul - am dat linkuri pe undeva pe aici.
Explicatia mea scurta. Mai intai - nu exista "natura umana". Unde il pui pe om aia invata si asa se poarta. Nu e rau prin natura lui. Are necesitati naturale - sa fie iubit si acceptat asa cum e si sa aiba un grup din care sa faca parte. Daca astea nu sunt indeplinite cel putin la inceput el va fi un om trist mai tarziu, cautand fericirea in "lucruri folositoare". Nu mai e un om complet ci o parte din masina "utilitatii". Imaginati-va un om ca Sitting Bull ca serveste la McDonalds. Va vine sa radeti ? Poate va dati seama despre ce vorbesc.

Daca necesitatile acelea sunt indeplinite, omul nu mai cauta fericirea in alta parte, nu mai dezvolta un ego , nu mai viseaza "succes" - care nu este decat tot o dorinta de acceptare. Omul acela poate zice "eu sunt tribul" fara sa se contrazica, fara sa minta. Si cu toate acestea el e un individ nu o rotita, nimeni nu indrazneste sa ii dea ordine si nici el nu da - din respect. Relatiile sunt cele naturale pentru oameni - cele dintr-un grup de prieteni, vedeti la inceput. Fiecare a avut tribul lui incipient pe cand era copil - a durat cativa ani, apoi a fost distrus de civilizatie (dictatura folositorului, merita sacrificiul, pentru progres, etc etc). Daca nu era distrus va spun eu ca tribul ala incipient ar fi durat milioane de ani. Pentru ca e modul natural in care oamenii relationeaza unii cu altii.
Nu modul impersonal, bazat pe bani. Ati citit Ciresarii. Imaginati-va ca astia cer bani cand se ajuta intre ei, sau ca e unul sef ca era mai bogat sau il numise cineva ( nu datorita respectului cum era Victor) si toata povestea lor era povestea sefului asta care ii pune pe restul la munca (le fura viata) pentru "succes" adica bani. Si ei indoctrinati de mici ca asta trebuie sa caute in viata - chiar isi dau silinta sa produca mai multi bani. Relatii intre oameni impuse si posible doar datorita egoului - asta crescut inca de la gradinita in societatea noastra. Apoi oamenii care nu au un trib si care nu mai sunt oameni completi fac posibila toata nebunia asta.

Nu mai avea insemnatate daca eram in anul 1947 al erei noastre sau inainte de era noastra. Traiam, si acest lucru il simteam cu intensitate. Inteleseram ca viata oamenilor fusese plina si inaintea erei tehnice, fara indoiala mai plina si mai bogata in multe privinte decat viata omului modern. Timpul si evolutia incetau oarecum sa mai existe : tot ce era real si tot ce avea importanta erau astazi la fel ca ieri, la fel ca maine. Eram inghititi de masura absoluta a istoriei, de bezna adanca si neantrerupta de sub puzderia de stele.

Thor Heyerdahl - Kon Tiki

As Columbus wrote of the Arawak (before murdering and enslaving them),
"They are so ingenuous and free with all they have, that no one would believe it who has not seen it... Of anything they possess, if it be asked of them, they never say no; on the contrary, they invite you to share it and show as much love as if their hearts went with it..."

Hunter Gatherers And The Golden Age Of Man

Happiness

Almost universally, anthropologists remark on how ridiculously happy hunter gatherers seem to be. Laughter is far more common in their societies.

Of the !Kung: "Bursts of laughter accompany the conversations. Sometimes the !Kung laugh mildly with what we would call a sense of humor about people and events; often they shriek and howl as though laughter were an outlet for tension. They laugh at mishaps that happen to other people, like the lions eating up someone else's meat, and shriek over particularly telling and insulting sexual sallies...(15)".

Laurens van der Post expressed wonder at the exuberant San laugh, which rises "sheer from the stomach, a laugh you never hear among civilized people. (17)."

There's little wonder why. With no stressful work and plenty of time to socialize with friends and family, or engage in other pursuits they enjoy, what's not to be happy about?

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YouTube - Wade Davis: Cultures at the far edge of the world

YouTube - Wade Davis: Cultures at the far edge of the world

Ca o completare la "monologul" lui Jet Li, care cuprinde doar idei deosebite.

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Jet Li: Internetul a fost inventat de takeri. So move away, punk.

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Cititi "The Continuum Concept". Nu a aparut in Romania nici pe net nu am gasit-o. Puteti s-o luati de aici :

Amazon.com: The Continuum Concept: In Search Of Happiness Lost (Classics in Human Development): Jean Liedloff: Books

Amazon.com: The Continuum Concept: In Search Of Happiness Lost (Classics in Human Development): Jean Liedloff: Books

Un site :

The Liedloff Continuum Network - Home Page
http://www.continuum-concept.org/rea...InControl.html

Autoarea a fost in mai multe expeditii in Venezuela si a trait printre indienii Yequana. Copii de acolo nu sunt niciodata batuti, amenintati, pusi la munca, de asemenea nu dorm singuri si nu se folosesc tehnici de "lasa-l sa planga ca pana la urma adoarme el". Li se ofera tot ce doresc, anume atentie si asigurarea ca sunt iubiti de catre adulti la care pot intotdeauna sa se intoarca dupa ce au explorat o parte a lumii - dar numai cand doresc nu sunt tinuti in centrul atentiei. In felul asta ei castiga din ce in ce mai multa incredere in sine, si faptul ca adultii nu ii pedepsesc niciodata si nu ii resping de asemenea ii fereste de probleme psihice, minuni gen "autism", etc. Apoi cand sunt mai mari sunt lasati sa ia hotarari singuri - care le sunt respectate. Nimeni nu ii comanda, nu ii ordoneaza, nu ii "educa". Ei castiga din ce in ce mai multa incredere in sine, stiu ca au intotdeauna tribul care ii va accepta indiferent de ce fac - dar pentru ca in mod natural sunt fiinte sociale - vor dori de la ei sa fie impreuna cu tribul lor si vor incepe sa ia parte la activitatile din jur nesiliti de nimeni.

In carte autoarea descrie un copil - crescut de un indian care muncise undeva in civilizatie apoi revenise. Copilul asta nu era sigur pe el, era singurul din trib care striga si facea si arata semne de "suparare" si tot singurul din trib care ii lovea pe ceilalti copii. Care la randul lor nu reactionau - nu il alungau dintre ei si se purtau ca si cum ar fi fost loviti de o creanga sau ceva. Apoi descrie cum seful tribului il ia pe copilul asta si il educa, il ia la vanatoare si altele - si anume ce "educatie" fara nici un ordin sau amenintare. Doar luand in considerare sociabilitatea naturala a copilului care pana la urma devine si el la fel ca ceilalti, dar e mult de scris.

Ei nu au nici un fel de jocuri competitive si nici jocuri "de-a razboiul". au altfel de jocuri, competitia lipseste. Nevoile lor de "acceptare" sunt indeplinite. Au intotdeauna tribul acolo si ei sunt tribul. Nu mai au nevoie sa dovedeasca nimanui nimic, cum trebuie sa dovedeasca un copil modern, nesigur de el pentru a fi "acceptat" trebuie sa faca 1000 de lucruri, si uneori lucruri pe care le uraste. Daca nu reuseste - isi pierde increderea in sine, probleme psihice, etc.

In societatea moderna: "copii sunt antisociali si trebuie educati, batuti, amenintati - sa fie adusi pe calea cea buna". Si asta creeaza tot felul de probleme, care se intind pe parcursul intregii vieti a omului modern. Cand e mic el nu stie ce e aia bine si rau, are nevoie sa fie acceptat neconditionat. Doar asa poate sa isi dezvolte respectul de sine stiind ca poate conta intotdeauna pe cei din jur el pleaca si exploreaza lumea din ce in ce mai departe pana cand nu mai simte nevoia de suport, apoi nesilit de nimeni , doar de la el sa participe la ce face tribul, pentru ca e o fiinta sociala. Asta nu inseamna "rasfat". Cititi cartea, e prea mult de scris aici.

Citit azi in ziar "fiica de 16 ani si-a omorat mama cu un topor". Lucru nemaiauzit intr-o societate tribala care nu impune nimic copiilor. De asta a functionat timp de milioane de ani si inca functioneaza. Milioane de ani. La noi cate 10 de ani s-au scurs fara o noua revolutie sau "nu e bine asa, facem invers, etc etc" si oamenii nu sunt niciodata fericiti. Scriitoarea spune ca indienii sunt fericiti si rad tot timpul. Indiferent ce fac. Ce spune ea se potriveste bine cu povestile primilor exploratori prin America de Nord si Cuba, care spuneau ca : indienii sunt ca niste copii si rad "din nimic". Si totusi nu erau niste "copii" ci niste oameni liberi, fiecare din ei independent si sigur pe el.

De ce erau pline orfelinatele din Romania de handicapati prin 90 ? Poate fi asta cauza ?
Hospitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hospitalism (or anaclitic depression in its sublethal form) was a pediatric diagnosis used in the 1930s to describe infants who wasted away while in hospital. The symptoms could include retarded physical development, and disruption of perceptual-motor skills and language.[1] It is now understood that this wasting disease was mostly caused by a lack of social contact between the infant and its caregivers. Infants in poorer hospitals were less subject to this disease since those hospitals could not afford incubators which meant that the hospital staff regularly held the infants.

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Hell's Angels - un trib modern.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2917470813040343101
Aceasi libertate individuala totala si lipsa ordinelor, nici unul din ei nu dadea ordine celorlalti, iar seful la fel ca seful de trib indian era sef pentru ca era respectat. Nu pentru ca avea el "functie". La fel ca seful de trib nici el nu putea da ordine directe sub amenintare. Era ascultat din respect. In rest orice "angel" putea sa plece daca avea chef, restul ii respectau decizia stiind ca nici lor nu le place sa le spuna nimeni ce sa faca. Avem deci o mare ceata de individualisti care nu accepta nici un ordin de la nimeni dar stau impreuna - pentru ca le place. Contribuie la grup si se ajuta intre ei fara sa ceara bani - gift based economy.

Mai sunt multe de spus.

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The Sioux

Are si un capitol "Fun", despre jocurile Sioux. Asta daca va inchipuiati viata vanatorilor culegatori un fel de Auschwitz cu indieni morti de foame, toata ziua batandu-se intre ei pe friptura (cavemen ce sa le ceri) si abia asteptand un stapan sa-i puna la munca, sa fie sclavi dar sa aiba mamaliga in fiecare zi. Fata de iobagii nostri astia erau regi.
Si fata de noi care consideram ca e normal sa ne vindem pe bani cea mai mare parte a vietii .Da, e normal sa facem ce nu vrem pentru a supravietui, omul intotdeauna asa a facut. Niciodata nu a fost altfel. Amin.

Treaba asta cu "rautatea" oamenilor e un mit mentinut de cei de sus, prin educatie asta invatam. Ca suntem "lacomi, rai" si e nevoie sa fim modelati, altfel nu se poate. Copii din triburile de indieni nu erau niciodata batuti. Minune, cum de continua societatea lor sa functioneze si copii cand cresteau adoptau de la sine toate valorile ei ? Pentru ca erau oameni liberi, si natura copiilor nu e "antisociala", e "sociala". Faptul ca nimeni nu ii bate - duce la castigarea self respect, apoi de la sine (fiinte sociale) vor sa fie parte din trib. (Care la noi nu exista, mai apar unii care cred ca fac parte dintr-o "tara/natiune". Natiune de ce ?). Bataia si educatia sunt necesare doar pentru modelarea sclavilor.




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The men where you live," said the little prince, "raise five thousand roses in thesame garden−− and they do not find in it what they are looking for." "They do not find it," I replied. "And yet what they are looking for could be found in one single rose, or in a little water."
"Yes, that is true," I said. And the little prince added: "But the eyes are blind. One must look with the heart..."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12842911/Antoine...e-Little-Prince

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A Hopi Indian named Sun Chief said:

"I had learned many English words and could recite part of the Ten Commandments. I knew how to sleep on a bed, pray to Jesus, comb my hair, eat with a knife and fork, and use a toilet. ... I had also learned that a person thinks with his head instead of his heart ".

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When Carl Jung, the great psychoanalyst, went to Taos Peublo in New Mexico in 1925, he met the chief of the native people, Ochwiay Biano. Biano told Jung that according to his people, the Whites were 'mad'-uneasy, restless, always wanting something.

Jung asked him why he thought they were mad, and the chief replied that it was because they thought with their heads, a sure sign of mental illness among his tribe. Jung asked him how he thought and he pointed to his heart. The response plunged Jung into a deep introspection that enabled him to see his race from outside himself and realise how much of the race's character was within him."

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Papillon

Those who haven't been exposed to the hypocrisies of a "civilized" education react to things naturally, as they happen. It is in the here and now that they are either happy or unhappy, joyful or sad, interested or indifferent. The superiority of pure Indians like these Guajiros was striking. They could outdo us in everything: when they adopted someone, everything they had belonged to him; and when anyone showed them the least attention, they were profoundly moved

I was getting used to this life and beginning to realize that if I stayed too much longer I might lose all desire to leave.

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As Columbus wrote of the Arawak (before murdering and enslaving them), "They are so ingenuous and free with all they have, that no one would believe it who has not seen it... Of anything they possess, if it be asked of them, they never say no; on the contrary, they invite you to share it and show as much love as if their hearts went with it...

The Winners and the Losers - Ascent of Humanity

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"Sau, la urmã, purtarea lor se putea dovedi a fi fost doar o glumã ciudatã, cãci acei oameni timizi nu se temeau de noi cîtusi de putin. Bãstinasii au, în mult mai micã mãsurã decît oamenii albi, acel simt al riscului în viatã. Cîteodatã la un safari, sau pe lîngã fermã, în vreun moment de tensiune extremã, am întîlnit privirea însotitorilor mei si am simtit cã ne aflam la mare depãrtare unii de altii si cã erau mirati din cale-afarã de acea teamã a mea în fata riscului. Ceea ce m-a fãcut sã reflectez la faptul cã se miscau în viatã cum nu vom reusi noi niciodatã, ca in elementul lor, întocmai ca pestii de ape adînci care nu pot pricepe de ce ne temem noi de înec. Aceastã sigurantã, aceastã artã de a înota ei o aveau, mi-am zis, pentru cã pãstreazã stiinþa pierdutã pentru noi de pãrintii nostri ;Africa, dintre toate continentele, te învatã cã Dumnezeu si Diavolul una sunt, o maiestate co-eternã, nu doua ci o singura nenascuta, iar bãstinasii nici nu confundau cele douã persoane, nici nu divizau substanta lor."

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"Cînd bãstinasii se simteau în sigurantã din partea noastrã cã nu vom face miscãri bruste sau zgomote neasteptate, ne vorbeau cu mult mai deschis decît vorbesc de obicei un european cu alt european. Nu erau niciodatã de încredere, dar în general erau sinceri. Un nume bun — ceea ce noi am numi prestigiu — conteazã foarte mult la bãstinasi,într-un anumit moment pãreau sã-ti fi fãcut o apreciere-globalã, de care nimeni nu se rnai atingea pe urmã. Cîteodatã la fermã existenta era solitarã si, în linistea serilor, cînd minutele picurau din ceas, viata pãrea sã picure si ea din tine odatã cu ele, de dorul unui alb cucare sã vorbesti. Simteam însã tot timpul în penumbrã existenþa tãcutã a bãstinasilor paralelã cu a mea, dar într-un plan diferit. Numai ecouri rãzbãteau dintr-o parte în alta.Bãstinasii însemnau Africa în carne si oase. Inaltul vulcan stins Longonat, ce se ridicã deasupra Vãii Faliei celei Mari, arborii de mimoza strãjuind rîurile largi, sau elefantul si girafa nu însemnau Africa mai cu adevãrat decît bãstinasii negri — siluete mãrunte într-un decor imens. "Toti erau expresii- diferite ale aceleiasi idei, toti erau variatiuni pe aceeasi temã.

In Inima Africii - Karen Blixen
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2517055/Ka...-inima-Africii

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O poveste
De aici:

The Sioux: life and customs of a ... - Google C

Ceva asemanator cu ce reiese din citatele din postul de mai sus. Asemanator si cu alte viziuni asupra lumii:

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