Recherchons développeur senior PHP/MYSQL

fredsoftwares · 28-10-2003, 13:49

Recherchons développeur senior PHP/MYSQL expérimenté, avec connexion Internet permanente pour travailler à plein temps en freelance pour des clients français.

Début mission : immédiat

Compétences requises : Niveau avancée PHP/MYSQL

Français très bon niveau

Salaire : 400 EUR + primes

Merci de répondre en français et de joindre un CV

Contacter: jobs@fredsoftwares.com

D@N · 02-11-2003, 20:44

iauite-l si pe asta. Daca faci publicitate macar fa in limba romana
ca franceza nu prea e cunoscuta macar in engleza mai mergea tradu-mi si mie ce ai scris ca nu inteleg :P

Doctor Bonez · 02-11-2003, 21:32

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Originally posted by D@N
iauite-l si pe asta. Daca faci publicitate macar fa in limba romana
ca franceza nu prea e cunoscuta macar in engleza mai mergea tradu-mi si mie ce ai scris ca nu inteleg :P

Penny Bill

**AIWA** · 02-11-2003, 21:47

Poate nu stie engleza!

fredsoftwares in ENGLISH please !

D@N · 02-11-2003, 21:53

Asta e problema lui. Sa invete ca cu franceza nu face cine stie ce

**kork** · 02-11-2003, 21:57

Parca sunteti toti cazuti din Luna.

Scrie clar: lucru PENTRU CLIENTI FRANCEZI !
si se cere nivel foarte bun la franceza.

Iar anuntul acesta este primul test.

fredsoftwares · 02-11-2003, 22:13

I thought that Romania is the only French speaking country (pays prancophone) in which French is not the official language. But it seems that the people on this forum are an exception.

Anyway, I'm looking for real professionals, not for programmers who have difficulties in reading a post as simple as mine (I think that French is not the real problem here).

Your answer is a "beuatiful" example of Romanian mentality.
If you continue this way of thinking, this contry has any chance to join UE.

Change this your way of thinking or Keep working for 150 $/ month.

Sorry for posting here...It seems that i found a bunch of imature teenagers.

PigBrother · 02-11-2003, 22:19

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Originally posted by fredsoftwares
Change this your way of thinking or Keep working for 150 $/ month.

Yeah, sure, and get payed with 400 EUR by a company who wants to avoid paying a french programmer with 4000EUR.
Buzz OFF.

fredsoftwares · 02-11-2003, 22:29

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Originally posted by REDMAN
Yeah, sure, and get payed with 400 EUR by a company who wants to avoid paying a french programmer with 4000EUR.
Buzz OFF.

2nd example of your mentality: I came with a good offer for you people and I get only criticism.

For your culture: a good French programmer has 2000 EUR (gross salary)

_nameless · 03-11-2003, 02:28

fredsoftwares:
First of all - it's not nice to insult people indiscriminately. Posting in french is also a sign of disrespect - out of the 7,169 forum members probably 10-20 were remotely interested - the other ones should be able to know that the add isn't for them. English would have been a better choice - it's universal because of computers. Also you might have noticed that the forum's name is also english.

You also haven't specified if it's a legal job offer or just another fraud oportunity [both for you and for the programmer]. That aside, 400euro is a nice sum for a good beginner.

PS: be serious, 24k euro/yr gross in the EU is not the best offer a good programmer [not only php] can get.
PPS: The majority of french speaking citizes of .ro are outside your target age - those below 30 speak mostly English.

edit: removed [most] uncivilized remarks

EMI · 03-11-2003, 03:58

fredsoftwares, soit le bienvenu en Roumanie, et essaye de ne pas généraliser ce que viens de se passer sur ce topic. Enfin, tu comprendras qu'en fait il s'aurait agi d'une exception que le monde ne s'en prenne pas à toi. Mais les exceptions existent aussi.

Ici, le monde lutte pour les apparences, et s'en fous de l'essence. Tu es un étranger qui voulais investir en Roumanie, et les lecteurs se sentent révoltés par le simple fait que tu ne t'est pas adressé dans le langage étranger majoritaire, l'anglais. Bien que l'annonce n'intéressai que ceux qui comprennent (et parlent bien sûr) le français, le monde a tenu à manifester son hostilité envers ceux qui ne sont pas comme eux, c'est une réminiscence du communisme que tu pardonnera, en fait sous l'arrogance se cache plutôt une victime digne de pitié que de dégoût.

Ici, le monde pense d'abord à la fortune du voisin (appelée aussi "chèvre" - la chèvre du voisin) qu'a sa propre fortune, tu a offert 400 € + primes comme début, c'est trois fois le salaire moyen net, mais le monde s'en prend aux salaires d'autres pays, comme si ceux-là pourraient les aider dans leur ego ou pour leur loyer.

En fait c'est cette mentalité qui a saboté systématiquement les chances du pays de s'en sortir durant ces 14 années qui ont passé depuis la "Révolution". "On ne vend pas notre pays". On ne veut pas être acheté par des investisseurs. Nous on est trop fiers, nous on se débrouille sans des chefs étrangers. Le résultat en 2003 parle de lui même.

Ce n'est pas diplomatique de ta part de parler franchement avec les gens d'ici, si tu leur dis en face qu'ils ont tort et qu’ils persistent dans leur faute, tu vas devenir leur pire ennemi. C’est le pays des cercles vicieux parfaits. Tu vois, on ne peut pas tout avoir. Des salaires bas et une mentalité saine. Sinon toute la planète s'aurait bousculé ici, dans cette région, pour faire des affaires.

Je suis sûr qu'à force de chercher tu va trouver une personne qui correspond à ton profile. Ils n'ont même pas apprécié le fait que tu avais donné un salaire estimatif, ici les patrons qui embauchent s'en moquent royalement des employés et ne disent jamais combien ils offrent pour un tel boulot. C’est une grande faveur d’embaucher quelqu’un, donc celui-ci n’a aucun droit de demander quelque chose, par exemple un traitement humain, normal, un respect réciproque. Ta leçon de civilisation n'a pas trouvé un bon auditeur. Tu n'est qu'un profiteur qui essaye de tromper le fier peuple roumain avec un langage déshonorant que le monde ne comprend pas, ou ne veut pas le comprendre.

Tu viens d’un monde plus riche, habitue-toi à la jalousie des gens. Ici les gens qui sont riches se sont enrichis en volant (la plupart), pas en travaillant. Et ceux-là sont plus respectés que le monde qui travaille à fond pour gagner de l’argent.

En fait tu viens de vérifier toi-même ce que je n'ai jamais pu expliquer aux étrangers au sujet de mon pays : comment vont les choses ici. Effectivement je n'arrivai pas à trouver les mots, parce que mes explications n'étaient pas du tout logiques. Comment expliquer l'illogique à un homme habitué seulement à la logique ?

Bon, peut-être je vais supporter aussi des remarques "amicales", pareil à toi, en fait ceux qui ont d'autres opinions que la majorité sont "que de traîtres qui ont oublié leur origine". Mais qu'importe. Retiens le fait que pas tout le monde est comme ça, et que nos filles sont très belles.

Bien que c'est de l'arnaque pour beaucoup de français qui se marient illico presto à une roumaine, et à long terme ils s'arrachent les cheveux.

For those who don't understand french, I just wrote that he is a son-of-a-bitch that tried to make vicious deals with us, and I explained all that.

fredsoftwares · 03-11-2003, 07:45

salut Mi

enfin une reponse qui resemble a qq chose et qui n est pas une reponse a la roumaine...en passant felecitations poour ton francais

je comprends ta reponse justifiant le rejet de notre annonce en fr... qund je voie ca, je me demande si je reve. En france, nous qund nous voyons une annonce dans une autre langue nous sautons dessus.

compris aussi pour le salaire...encore une fois des choquantes les reactions car nous payons vraiment tres bien les roumains avec qui nous travaillons deja.

quant tu parles de la roumanie qui ne veux pas se vendre a l oust..je ne peux que eclater de rire... je vie ici depuis plus de 6 moi et je ne voie que des entreprises qui ne vous appartiennent plus , par exemple les operateurs de telephonie mobile....votre pays entier est deja vendu et par la seule betise des roumains et leur sale mentalite...

non va bien sur trouver des salaries comptents.. on en a deja plusieurs...et nous nous monquons pas d eux, jamais...mais il faut travailler avec un resprit de l ouest : investissement personne = Euros .

Pour ce qui est de vos filles.. effectivement..je prefere etre ici qu en france...en esperant que vous ne les vendrez pas.

For the people who think that 400E is for a beginner progammer...show us what you have done and we ll show you all the security holes in your code....if we find nothing.. we can pay 800E and more...

PigBrother · 03-11-2003, 09:12

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Originally posted by fredsoftwares
For the people who think that 400E is for a beginner progammer...show us what you have done and we ll show you all the security holes in your code....if we find nothing.. we can pay 800E and more...

This was a mean answer.
In your opinion, all Microsoft programmers will be fired monday in the morning.
I don't think you don't know there is no "bug free" software.

GunX · 03-11-2003, 15:24

fredsoftwares, in my opinion your biggest mistake was starting with a sum. this kind of discussions and details are only made in privacy of the deal-negotiation. u only have to put a description of the job and a modality of contact. this is the way every serious person does. the rest is no public business, nor subject to discuss

of course flames start, whatever u put 100 or 2000 Euro (to lousy payment or highly-non-trustable sum for Romania)

also answering to one "mean" user (whatever Romanian poor programer stupid teenager), makes u look bad (do you really have that kind of spare-time ?). really, in real-life, do you stop and "bwarf" back at every dog that u see behind a fence when walking on the street ?

I don't think so

oh, and...stop teaching us "West attitude". as long as we are seen only as an excellent hand/mind-work for next-to-nothing money, we don't need that piece of crap. I never heard a master complaining about his slaves manners....

_nameless · 03-11-2003, 16:12

Mi_: ain't that cute... - just joking, some of your points are good, but 2.5€/h without the taxes and internet connection is not that much for an experienced professional.
fredsoftwares: you have a pm.

EMI · 03-11-2003, 22:43

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Originally posted by GunX
fredsoftwares, in my opinion your biggest mistake was starting with a sum. this kind of discussions and details are only made in privacy of the deal-negotiation. u only have to put a description of the job and a modality of contact. this is the way every serious person does. the rest is no public business, nor subject to discuss

I think the opposite. To put an approximate sum is a sign of civilization, of respect toward the reader, toward the potential employee. You will realize that only in Romania the employees are treated with the butt, the job offers have absolute secrecy about the salary, all the people must send CV in a pavlovian reflex, hoping for the best. And you say it's normal, no, you said more, "this is the way every serious person does". I am glad if you don't identify me with your "serious" degree.

Quote:

oh, and...stop teaching us "West attitude". as long as we are seen only as an excellent hand/mind-work for next-to-nothing money, we don't need that piece of crap. I never heard a master complaining about his slaves manners....

It is a paradox in Romania that the country is in deep shit, but you can find wise people on every corner of the street. You fought well, you saved the appearance, you replied to that "western attitude teacher". Your ego is feeling better now. Btw, you are working for "next-to-nothing money" also because of your own attitude and mentality.

Some people really don't deserve to be treated in a normal manner. Their mentality is beyond that concept. They cry that romanian investors are acting like pigs, then when a foreigner investor arrives, he is accused because he is not acting like the romanian one.

I'm sorry for you.

_nameless, you can do that work in half a time, because you are smart (excellent hand/mind-work, remember?), so you will get 5$/hour (+ bonuses). I remember you that a young doctor here is getting 3$/day. Fortunately, you have the right to ignore that offer, and go working for 4000 $/month.

_nameless · 03-11-2003, 23:25

Mi_ - you misunderstood my position and maybe it's my fault - I omitted to say that I'm not a PHP/mysql programmer, but I have an idea of what's required - I've written some data-aware isapi extensions and filters. Also, unfortunately I'm not a teenager anymore.

You are overcompensating for our opinions - the situation here is bad, but it's not that that horrible everywhere in .ro.

My point of view comes from my own incursions into remote programming in the last couple of years. My own finances are not your problem, but I do program for more than 5$/h [although I can't make it full-time]. And I assure you that my code has as little bugs as possible - if you want we can discuss that [I'm genuinely interested].

edit: what's the hand/mind stuff?

fredsoftwares - if you want you can comment my pm here [the ideas were that giving a price quote was good, but acting superior was not being superior].

bottom line: that french-speaking php/mysql programmer is still wanted.

GunX · 04-11-2003, 13:05

Mi_ : >I think the opposite....

I don't care what u think

> I'm glad...

I don't give shit about your feelings

>I'm sorry for you....

Thank you very much, but now shut-up.

In case you didn't notice :
I wasn't talking to you.

fredsoftwares · 04-11-2003, 15:23

Topic Closed

Tekken · 06-11-2003, 06:14

NO ! Topic is not closed...yet!

dear mr software i would like to make a business proposal to you ... i am a man very interested in the evolution of french resistance starting from wwi to wwii and so on. i am willing to pay you the almost pitiful amount of money 400eur for helping me to discover the secrets of the mighty 'rrrresistance' . before u make bad remarks to our countrymen remember that only by chance france still exist...and please as an advice u better cut down the trees from shit-elyssee coz nice germans loves sun-parades.

talking seriously now...go back to your fucking place alongside with 400eur and shove them in your ass !