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Old 01-02-2004, 17:49   #1 (permalink)
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comix NU INSEAMNA manga sau anime

aici se face o departajare foarte importanta comix-urile sunt viziunea americana a benzilor desenate adica povesti cu super eroi care o ard toata ziua distrugand maleficul si viziunea japoneza asupra benzilor desenate, manga care in Japonia este un organ social capabil de a stimula imaginatia oamenilor in mod constructiv, targetul manga si anime fiind individul societatii ce trebuie sa-i fie create conexiuni neuronale pentru a fi un om sanatos.

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Old 03-02-2004, 01:50   #2 (permalink)
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Ahahahahahahahaha.
Da, da, da... copacii infloriti... da, da, da copacii infloriti...
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Old 03-02-2004, 08:19   #3 (permalink)
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comix - un element de evitat pentru o societate sanatoasa
Pun pariu ca nu ai vazut niciodata comics-uri gen Watchmen sau macar Judge Dredd.

Btw, are cineva vreun volum din seria Watchmen?
 
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Old 03-02-2004, 17:09   #4 (permalink)
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a ba da, si hulk si capitan america... si cei cu asta, sa nu zici ca ti se par serioase
 
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Old 04-02-2004, 09:03   #5 (permalink)
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Pai daca pui in aceeasi oala Captain America si Watchmen, orice alt argument e inutil...
 
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Old 04-02-2004, 15:34   #6 (permalink)
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Pai daca pui in aceeasi oala Captain America si Watchmen, orice alt argument e inutil...
Oricum cu cipi orice argument e inutil. Te chinui degeaba. Are idei putine si fixe.
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Old 05-02-2004, 22:35   #7 (permalink)
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cipiamon, cum poti sa afirmi asa ceva???
inseamna ca tu nu stii cum a evoluat manga, deci si comixurile!
Manga a fost inventata de japonezi iar americanii doar au preluat-o!
asta e alt ceva despre ce vb tu cu subiectele deoarece un tampit de american nu ar intelege niciodata mentalitatea japoneza, pe care nici tu nu o cunosti deoarece nu ai crescut cu aceasta!
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Old 05-02-2004, 22:50   #8 (permalink)
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aici se face o departajare foarte importanta comix-urile sunt viziunea americana a benzilor desenate adica povesti cu super eroi care o ard toata ziua distrugand maleficul si viziunea japoneza asupra benzilor desenate, manga care in Japonia este un organ social capabil de a stimula imaginatia oamenilor in mod constructiv, targetul manga si anime fiind individul societatii ce trebuie sa-i fie create conexiuni neuronale pentru a fi un om sanatos.

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Faci o confuzie intre mediul generic "benzi desenate" si continut.
Exista comicsuri (bandes desinées, fumetti etc.) exceptionale din punct de vedere al subiectului si artwork-ului si manga penibile. Dar cred ca n-are rost sa-ti explic asta.
 
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Old 06-02-2004, 18:35   #9 (permalink)
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Intradevar, am impresia ca cipiamon nu prea stie despre ce vorbeste. Ca si la americani, la francezi, japonezi sau la orice alta tara, peste tot exista diferite "trepte de seriositate", incepind de la funnyuri pentru copii si terminind cu Enki Bilal.

Cipiamon, citeste un comic scris de Dave Mckean, Frank Miller sau Kevin Smith la americani, un Enki Bilal, Loisel, Moebius la francezi si un Otomo, Shirow, Tsuruta sau Samura la japonezi, si ai sa vezi ca peste tot vei gasii aceasi seriositate la desen si scenarii bestiale.
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Bilal, Corben, Moebius presupun ca apartin altei generatii...

Masamune Shirow rulz
 
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Old 06-02-2004, 18:49   #11 (permalink)
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Just, ai dreptate, exista insa si multi altii tineri, de exemplu:
Tota, Canales&Guarnido, Cailleteau&vatine, Trillo, Lepage, o multime de oamnei tari
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Shirow rulez indeed!!
 
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Old 07-02-2004, 01:40   #13 (permalink)
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Shirow???Ce a scris?
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Appleseed ... se poate un link ceva?
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Appleseed, una din cele mai bune manga SF pe care leam citit, dupa parerea mea chiar mai interesant decit Ghost in the Shell:
http://digilander.libero.it/nonsolom..._appleseed.htm
http://members.aol.com/mech73/shirow.html

Da un search pe google si iti apar citeva mii de linkuri la diferite Shirow pages.
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Old 07-02-2004, 19:11   #17 (permalink)
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Si aici citeva pagini din carte(4 in total + 1 Databook - se asteapta cartea 5, deja de citiva ani).
http://dmd-sales.com/manga/4878920858.htm
 
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Old 07-02-2004, 20:38   #19 (permalink)
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Just, pe asta lam si uitat, ma refeream doar la Mangaurile nu si la Animes. Abia astept sa il vad
 
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Old 13-02-2004, 13:29   #20 (permalink)
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Mda, acuma am descoperit si eu thread-ul asta si nu m-am putut abtine.

Sigur .... hai sa proslavim orice e facut de japonezi si hai sa aruncam la cos orice altceva.
Bineinteles..... hai sa lasam incolo orice e scris de Alan Moore ( Watchmen, Swamp Thing v2, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - bd-ul si NU porcaria aia de film) ca sunt tampenii, nu ?

De Garth Ennis ai auzit , Cipi ? Sau de Bendis ?
Powers iti spune ceva ?

Si hai sa dam la o parte si comicsuri ca Transmetropolitan si Preacher ca sunt si alea porcarii .... in nici un caz nu se compara cu acele capadopere numite Love Hina sau Orange Red (aici stiu ca o sa mi-o iau de la fanii manga dar prea m-a enervat Cipi).
Trebuie sa recunosc ca si mi-e mi-au placut manga-uri ca Battle Royale sau GunM dar totusi .... nici chiar sa spunem ca orice altceva e un gunoi.


Spawn al lui Todd McFarlane ti se pare tot o tampenie, nu-i asa ?

Si pana acuma am vorbit doar de ce se gaseste pe la americani .... nici nu vreau sa ma pornesc cu bd-urile europene.

Ah si poate nu stii ca exista inclusiv serii de comicsuri la a caror realizare au participat creatori de manga. Un exemplu ar fi Wolverine: Snikt! scris si desenat de Tsutomu Nihei. Sau poate Batman: Child of Dreams sub semnatura lui Kia Asamiya.
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