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    Quote Originally Posted by sradu View Post
    2100 e mult prea departe. Ceva predictii se pot face pentru 2030-40. E trist ca in 2018 mai avem razboaie, foamete si ca educatia nu e universala.
    Nu, nu e trist, e chiar benefic ca inca traim intr-o civilizatie competitionala si ca individualismul inca se mentine. Ar fi mai trista dictatura spre care vor unii progresisti si socialisti sa ne indrepte. Lipsurile perpetue probabil ca chiar ajuta la progres fiindca stimuleaza instinctul de supravietuire spre deosebire de momentele prospere cand le ai pe toate si atunci iti piere cheful sa mai faci ceva ca societate, automat intrand in stagnare si declin indelungat.

    In istorie se dovedeste ca numai grupurile mici si divizate u avut succes spre deosebire de cele mari imperii care au devenit tinte usoare si au cazut .


    Razboiul si violenta sunt trasaturi specifice ale speciei omului. Poti sa-i dai un computer, un telefon, un automobil, sa-l imbraci la costum, dar el in sine tot va ramane un mamifer biologic care va concura cu ceilalti indivizi.
    Educatia universala este ceva specific socialismului, la fel ca si votul popular/universal. Afla ca majoritatea inventatorilor, savantilor si artistilor s-au instruit singuri, fara educatie universala conventionala accesibila maselor. Poate ca azi ai acces la net, acces facil la biblioteci si carti la pret redus, dar tot nu te poti considera un om inteligent, ci cel mult informatizat/cultivat.

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    Mi se pare trist ca AxA a ajuns socialist, eu stiindu-l drept conservator- liberal de dreapta acum 10 ani, chiar militant nationalist britanic si pro-european.
    Dar de la o vreme a devenit adept al diversitatii multiculturale si al socialismului si progresismului.
    Maine-poimaine il vedem spamand cot la cot cu ablium despre socialismul stiintific pe rit maoist aplicat in Occident.



    Se pare ca se dovedeste ipoteza ca unii oameni de dreapta (liberali sau conservatori) devin de stanga pe masura ce imbatranesc si devin comunisti militanti in preajma pensionarii.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadRex View Post
    Mi se pare trist ca AxA a ajuns socialist, eu stiindu-l drept conservator- liberal de dreapta acum 10 ani, chiar militant nationalist britanic si pro-european.
    Dar de la o vreme a devenit adept al diversitatii multiculturale si al socialismului si progresismului.
    Maine-poimaine il vedem spamand cot la cot cu ablium despre socialismul stiintific pe rit maoist aplicat in Occident.



    Se pare ca se dovedeste ipoteza ca unii oameni de dreapta (liberali sau conservatori) devin de stanga pe masura ce imbatranesc si devin comunisti militanti in preajma pensionarii.
    Mai usor cu remarcile astea si cu jignirile imbecile. Sunt exact la fel de liberal si pro-european cum am fost intotdeauna. Nu confunda faptul ca nu ma atrage nationalismul bolnav care matura acum europa, rasismul, nazismul dementilor alt-right si altor cretini de tapa lor, cu socialismul si comunismul si ce alte ineptii mai sustii. Daca tu ai cazut in capcana populismului ieftin care bantuie intreaga lume, nu inseamna ca cei care au ramas intregi la minte au devenit socialisti-comunisti.

    Habar nu am a cui clona esti, dar vezi-ti te rog de lungul nasului!
    forþon ne mæg weorþan wis wer, ær he age wintra dæl in woruldrice

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    Quote Originally Posted by MosSpanac View Post
    In mai toate romanele SF importante, religia isi are locul ei, chiar foarte important. A se vedea Dune, chiar si Foundation series, cu "Church of Science" lol.
    Greatest argument ever...

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    In plus, cred ca orasele vor deveni mai importante decat statele, din rationamente pur economice si pentru ca o gestionare locala e intotdeuna mai eficienta decat una centrala. In plus, etnia ajunge la locul ei, si anumne irelevanta. Asta pe fondul disparitiei religiei, cum spuneam. Fiecare om va fi judecat si apreciat pentru ceea ce este, cum si cat gandeste, ce si cum face, nu pentru ce culoare are, in ce superstitie crede, unde s-a nascut, ce limba vorbeste si ce fac sau au facut altii care s-au nascut, la fel de intamplator, in acelasi loc...

    Mai mult, despre viitorul orasului ca forma de organizare, aici: City States Rising! | HuffPost
    forþon ne mæg weorþan wis wer, ær he age wintra dæl in woruldrice

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    Eu as judeca un om dupa in ce superstitie crede, nu de alta, dar imi place sa ocolesc prostii sau sa ma cert cu ei, dupa dispozitie. Iar faptul ca etnia si culoarea nu conteaza spune-le prietenilor tai liberali extremisti, ca in ziua de azi nu poti nici sa ii faci copilului un arc din nuiele in curte, ca vor sa te bage la puscarie pentru ca ai asuprit indienii si le-ai furat cultura.

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    “the nation-state with its borders, centralised governments, common people and sovereign authority is increasingly out of step with the world”.
    From nation states to global cities, what is the future of urbanism? - The National
    forþon ne mæg weorþan wis wer, ær he age wintra dæl in woruldrice

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    FINANCIAL TIMES: Cities must be open to the world when nations are not

    Si, ca sa nu va mai plangeti de paywall, desi e un numar de articole gratis, pe saptamana, luati de aici copy/paste:

    Quote Originally Posted by FT
    The world’s great cities are inherently dynamic and diverse. They are also naturally open to the world. So how should they respond if their countries seek to close themselves against outsiders? How, more broadly still, should they view their responsibilities to the world?

    In The Economy of Cities, the late Jane Jacobs argued that cities have been our engines of economic progress since they were first created, in the neolithic era. She asserted persuasively that cities even invented agriculture.

    Yet cities’ economic importance is only the foundation. The first states seem to have been city states. Greek city states invented democracy. Rome, a city state, absorbed the Mediterranean world. Italian city states launched the European Renaissance. “City”, “citizen” and “civilisation” come from the same Latin roots: civis (meaning “citizen”) and civitas (meaning “city state”).

    Today, for the first time in history, more than half of the world’s population is urban. Four-fifths of global economic output is generated in urban areas. Not only are far more people living in these areas than ever before, but cities are far bigger. Before 1800, a city of a million was a freak. Today, the world contains 91 cities with more than 3m people merely within the boundaries of the city proper, let alone wider regions that surround them.

    This is the age of the city. Cities nurture anonymity, which liberates people to pursue their dreams. They are magnets for individuals and businesses. They are diverse, in terms of activities they support, skills they generate and populations they attract. They create economies of scale and scope. They produce complex networks of exchange, including with other cities. Not least, they can supply transportation, communications, water supply, sewerage, energy, health and other services far more efficiently than either rural or sprawling suburban areas.

    While cities are important, some are far more important than others. In 2011, the McKinsey Global Institute noted that just 600 of the world’s urban areas produced 60 per cent of global product, while containing a little over a fifth of the world’s population. The top 100 cities on their own generated just under two-fifths of global product and close to half of the output of all cities.

    The Chicago Council on Global Affairs places 42 global cities among the world’s 100 largest economies. The economies of Tokyo, the world’s largest city economy, and New York match those of Canada, Spain and Turkey in size. The economies of Los Angeles, Seoul-Incheon, London and Paris are larger than those of the Philippines or Colombia.

    Contemporary cities are embedded in countries, some of which are huge in size and power. The independent city state is extremely rare: Singapore is today’s most significant example. Even so, some city-regions dominate the economies of their countries: Seoul and Incheon, together, generate 47 per cent of South Korea’s gross domestic product; Rotterdam and Amsterdam, together, generate 40 per cent of the GDP of the Netherlands; Tokyo generates 34 per cent of Japan’s GDP; and London produces 32 per cent of the UK’s.

    The internal and external politics of such global cities are complex. The very rich and extremely poor often live close together, frequently uneasily. The rest of the country may well come to view such dominant cities with envy and resentment. This is even more likely if their ethnic composition becomes very different from that of the country as a whole.

    In 2007, more than 300 languages were spoken in London. According to the 2011 census, 37 per cent of the population was foreign born. It is commonplace to view the Brexit result of June 2016 as a reaction to immigration but it could also be seen as a vote against the composition and culture of the capital, which voted for Remain. Yet, in voting for Leave, the rest of England also cut off its own nose to spite its face: the ethnically diverse and economically dynamic London they spurned generates huge fiscal transfers to the rest of the country. It may not do so in future.

    As many countries become more introspective, especially in the west, their globally connected cities need to work out their response. Within their own countries, their leaders must argue against the emerging trends towards provincialism, xenophobia and protectionism. They may well need to link up with cities abroad in making this case.

    Beyond this, leaders must, so far as they can, turn their cities into models of efficiency and successful inclusion. Mitigating the threat of climate change is, arguably, the most urgent challenge. This may be why many US city mayors pledged to meet Paris climate agreement emissions targets after President Trump withdrew from the accord last week.

    “Over 70 per cent of the global demand for infrastructure over the next 15 years is expected to be in urban areas”, notes The New Climate Economy, published in 2016 by The Global Commission on the Economy and Climate. Reconfiguring cities, by investing in more compact and sustainable infrastructure, is a necessary condition for creating a more sustainable future for the world.

    Those in charge of cities should not merely argue for a better future; they must build it. Those who run countries have most of the policy instruments in their hands. But the future will be made in the cities. The leaders of cities should take that responsibility seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limelight View Post
    Eu as judeca un om dupa in ce superstitie crede, nu de alta, dar imi place sa ocolesc prostii sau sa ma cert cu ei, dupa dispozitie. Iar faptul ca etnia si culoarea nu conteaza spune-le prietenilor tai liberali extremisti, ca in ziua de azi nu poti nici sa ii faci copilului un arc din nuiele in curte, ca vor sa te bage la puscarie pentru ca ai asuprit indienii si le-ai furat cultura.
    Arcul nu e amerindian dom profesor, e universal si probabil originar din Africa, dom profesor.
    Cu ocolitul te cred ca e greu, fizica mai ales te impiedica s-o faci eficient.

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    Ma gandeam, ca o sa apari tu, ca nu intelegi ironia. Normal ca nu e indian, macar din filmele expirate cu super-eroi spartani, romani si alte alea si as fi stiut. Asta e si ideea, cultural appropriation e o abureala cu care sar toti tampitii pe tine din orice motiv imaginabil. Pana una-alta, tu invata sa scrii, apoi vorbim.

    PS: Acum 2 zile ma uitam cum trag aia cu arcul intr-un film de Kurosawa, macar 2 zile sa am si eu memorie daca sa zicem ca s-ar fi sters ce stiam din scoala sau ce am mai citit.

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    Iar AxA e total ancorat in realitate scriind ce putem citi mai jos:

    Quote Originally Posted by AxA View Post
    Fiecare om va fi judecat si apreciat pentru ceea ce este, cum si cat gandeste, ce si cum face, nu pentru ce culoare are, in ce superstitie crede, unde s-a nascut, ce limba vorbeste si ce fac sau au facut altii care s-au nascut, la fel de intamplator, in acelasi loc...
    Felicitari. Oare ai 16 ani?

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    Aceeasi care au impus globalismul vor sa impuna si city-states.
    City-states: garduri electrice in jur,legi draconice in interior,periferia din jurul city-states in sclavie si muritoare de foame.
    Hai ca filmele sf nu sunt departe de adevar:"Escape from LA,NY".

    The Guardian,Huff,FT,etc,cautati cine sunt in spatele lor si aflati sursa dorintelor pt globalizare&city-states.
    Globalismul este bun pt impunerea unor noi forme de imperialism.Apropo,China nu poate deveni dominatoare si imperialista fara globalismul impus de "elita" din city-ul londonez.(China depinde de economia globalista.fara exportul de produse la pret de dumping,cumperi azi-arunci maine,nu ar avea sub saltea triliardele de acum.)

    Pt UK este ok(!) sa promoveze asa ceva,o insula,usor de aparat impotriva plebei din exterior.
    Imperiul britanic nu a disparut,inca impune agende utile lor.
    Last edited by takada; 07-04-2018 at 12:10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by takada View Post
    The Guardian,Huff,FT,etc,cautati cine sunt in spatele lor si aflati sursa dorintelor pt globalizare&city-states.
    Da, se stie... Soros cu flacara violet!!! FFS... Mai aveti multe tampenii de-astea in repertoriu?
    forþon ne mæg weorþan wis wer, ær he age wintra dæl in woruldrice

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    Globalismul nu e impus, e doar o evolutie naturala.

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    E normal orasele sa devina mai importante ca statele, faza e ca sper sa nu ajunga ca alea din Africa de Sud, America de Sud, partial China si chiar si alte locuri mai civilizate, cu saracimea la margine, in ghetto-uri de diverse aspecte. Tehnologia aici aduce 2 posibilitati, si anume usurinta de a le arunca si lor un os, fiind totul automatizat si mai usor de produs, sau usurinta de a te feri de ei cand ii apuca foamea, prin metode moderne de paza, garduri electrice, drone sau ce dracu idei le pot veni unora.
    PS: Nu ma refer la garduri electice in jurul oraselor cu totul, ca takada, cu "aceeasi" care nu stiu ce au impus, ci la cartiere mai mici sau mai mari, parcele cu cateva blocuri sau case ce se pot constitui in asociatii, ca in Africa de Sud

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