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    Piratii somalezi

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    In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its 9 million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country’s food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

    Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

    Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the U.N. envoy to Somalia, tells me: “Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it.” Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to “dispose” of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: “Nothing. There has been no cleanup, no compensation and no prevention.”

    At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia’s seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by over-exploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300 million worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia’s unprotected seas.

    The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: “If nothing is done, there soon won’t be much fish left in our coastal waters.”

    This is the context in which the men we are calling “pirates” have emerged. Everyone agrees they were ordinary Somalian fishermen who at first took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least wage a “tax” on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coast Guard of Somalia - and it’s not hard to see why.

    In a surreal telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was “to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters … We don’t consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas.” William Scott would understand those words.
    In his book “Villains of All Nations,” the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence to find out. If you became a merchant or navy sailor then - plucked from the docks of London’s East End, young and hungry - you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off for a second, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the cat o’ nine tails. If you slacked consistently, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages.

    Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied against their tyrannical captains - and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls “one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the 18th century.”
    Articol de la BBC din 2005 despre deseurile nucleare aruncate acolo :
    BBC NEWS | Africa | Waves 'brought waste to Somalia'
    Tsunami waves could have spread illegally dumped nuclear waste and other toxic waste on Somalia's coast, a United Nations spokesman has said.

    Nick Nuttall of the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) told the BBC that December's tsunami appeared to have broken barrels and scattered waste.

    Mr Nuttall said a preliminary UN report had found that Somalis in the northern areas were falling sick as a result.
    Dar nimeni nu spune nimic despre astea. Daca ai ce manca si poti trai fericit din pescuit in satul tau nu te faci pirat, riscandu-ti viata, ca asa ai vazut tu filme si crezi ca e "cool".

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    Nu stiu ce sa zic, vreau sa vad mai multe dovezi in favoarea existentei presupuselor deseuri radioactive de acolo. Nu de alta, dar numarul tarilor care fabrica uraniu usor imbogatit sau care vand uraniu natural este destul de mic, iar contractele de vanzare sunt insotite aproape intotdeauna de obligativitatea returnarii combustibililor saraciti. In plus, exista controale AIEA si Euratom care verifica traseele materialelor radioactive comerciale.

    Apropo, in stramtoarea Malacca si pe coastele Marocului exista pirati d-astia dintotdeauna.
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    Taica-miu lucreaza in domeniu si pot garanta ca exista pirati.
    Astia somalezi sunt cei mai ai naibii si mai sunt unii pe langa Singapore care la fel nu prea dau inapoi la nimic.

    Despre deseuri nu stiu ce sa zic.

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    Pai cine a negat existenta lor? Singapore = Str. Malacca.
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    Or mai fira pirati, dar nu mai sunt cum erau pe vremuri...Adica nu pleci in croaziera si te gandesti sa nu dea piratii peste tine. Sa fim seriosi.


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    deci exista niste oameni necajiti in somalia care nu mai au de mancare si sunt bolnavi si ca atare s-au decis sa atace nave capitaliste si sa ceara rascumparari de cateva milioane de euro?


    LE: nu inteleg foarte bine care este intentia primului post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pufosul View Post
    Or mai fira pirati, dar nu mai sunt cum erau pe vremuri...Adica nu pleci in croaziera si te gandesti sa nu dea piratii peste tine. Sa fim seriosi.
    Nici acum 2-3 sute de ani nu erau asa de multi ca-n cartile lui Stevenson.

    Lou, inteleg ca baietii acuza vestul pentru saracia si bolile alea.
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    Natiuni capitaliste care arunca peste bord in apele somaleze mii si mii de tone de deseuri radioactive, chimice, biologice, groaznic, groaznic. Situatia polotico-economico-sociala a Somaliei e extrem de incalcita. Sau mai bine zis nu e deloc. Incredibil.
    Domnul ala gras si canadian de la Greenpeace le spune foarte bine. Bravo, bravo.

    Maine poimaine o sa aflu si ca nu exista Mos Craciun.

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    Lou, primul post explica cum ca aia nu sunt pirati ci niste bieti oameni care se revolta impotriva conspiratiilor mondiale. Si a Mafiei italiene, aparent.

    E doar o dezvaluire "casual" a lui jet li, nimic iesit din comun.

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    Piratii sunt un pretext bun pentru instaurarea unei democratii in tara respectiva + subsolul nu e la fel de sarac precum locuitorii tarii.

    Pre multe stiri despre pirati : News Search Results for somalia | Reuters.com

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    Nu-i da unui om un peste, da-i o undita.

    Ma rog, sau barci, arme...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet li View Post
    More than $300 million worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia’s unprotected seas.
    Pai si atunci domnii pirati de ce nu ataca pescadoarele respective ? Iar cand vine vreo televiziune , sa faca public totul , la lumina zilei ?

    Ataca in schimb nave comerciale, cer rascumparari de milioane si sechestreaza echipaje .... Adica fac un rau pentru a remedia un alt rau. I don't get it. Imi e teama ca mesajul primul post e un hoax.
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcyGStVc8QY"]YouTube - US Navy Seals Snipers Take Out Pirates[/ame]

    Morala povestii : Daca esti pirat si vezi sigla asta, mai bine te predai. Focile (SEALS) sunt animale foarte periculoase

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogotta View Post
    Pai si atunci domnii pirati de ce nu ataca pescadoarele respective ? Iar cand vine vreo televiziune , sa faca public totul , la lumina zilei ?
    +1

    Faptul ca deseuri de tot felul sunt date uitarii in apele Somaliei nu ar fi ceva iesit din comun. Dar nu cred ca asta e motivul principal pentru aparitia piratilor, meserie care a prins avant inca de prin anii 80.

    Am vorbit la un moment dat cu o persoana al carei fiu lucreaza ca marinar si a trecut si prin zona respectiva de cateva ori. Din cate imi povestea, se pare ca piratii nu ataca chiar orice nave, ci mai ales pe cele care se stie ca transporta si marfa ilegala pe langa cea declarata oficial.
    Nu stiu daca e asa dar pare o ipoteza plauzibila.

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    In ceea ce priveste cazul cu cargoul american Maersk Alabama, al carui capitan american Richard Phillips a fost salvat de sniperi dupa ce a fost tinut ostatic cinci zile intr-o barca de salvare in Oceanul Indian...

    ei bine astazi seful grupului de pirati din care faceau parte cei trei omorati in timpul operatiunii de salvare a capitanului a anuntat ca pentru oamenii lui de acum inainte nu se mai pune problema recompenselor /sau rascumpararilor mai bine zis/, ci este vorba de o problema de razbunare ce vizeaza toate navele sub pavilion american bineinteles.

    Pe de alta parte, Barack Obama, care se pare ca fost cel care le-a dat unda verde sniperilor, s-a folosit de acest episod pentru a-si anunta hotararea de a combate, cu ajutorul celorlalti actori internationali evident, flagelul pirateriei din Cornul Africii.

    Sa vedem acum... care pe care

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexneo View Post
    ... ci mai ales pe cele care se stie ca transporta si marfa ilegala pe langa cea declarata oficial.
    Nu stiu daca e asa dar pare o ipoteza plauzibila.
    Iar programul navelor astora care se stie ca tranporta si marfa ilegala apare zilnic in Evenimentul de Mogadishu, imediat langa horoscop, nu?
    FFS, vorbim despre cea mai inapoiata tara de pe un continent unde adulti si copii sunt lapidati sau li se da foc daca sunt suspectati de vrajitorie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mugabe View Post
    ...ei bine astazi seful grupului de pirati din care faceau parte cei trei omorati in timpul operatiunii de salvare a capitanului a anuntat ca pentru oamenii lui de acum inainte nu se mai pune problema recompenselor /sau rascumpararilor mai bine zis/, ci este vorba de o problema de razbunare ce vizeaza toate navele sub pavilion american bineinteles.

    Sa vedem acum... care pe care
    Sint o adunatura de timpiti! Doar asa se poate scapa de ei, daca se leaga de cine nu trebuie...

    "Clinton said Wednesday the administration would call for immediate meetings of an international counter-piracy task force to expand current naval coordination against pirates..."
    "As we saw last week, you don't necessarily need a billion-dollar ship to chase down a bunch of teenage pirates," Gates said."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PigBrother View Post
    Lou, inteleg ca baietii acuza vestul pentru saracia si bolile alea.
    mi se pare normal sa te scuzi acuzand pe altcineva pentru problemele tale. dar asta nu inseamna si ca ai dreptate. din momentul in care piratii aia somalezi au cerut 2-3 milioane de dolari sau euro, ei nu mai sunt niste pescari morti de foame ci undeva foarte aproape de definitia infractorului.
    nu poti explica cererile exorbitante (in bani!) cu acuzatii de genul "lumea isi deverseaza deseurile in marea noastra". de ce cer bani (multi!, repet) si nu cer stoparea practicilor care i-au falimentat?
    LE: scuze, acum am vazut ca si Bogotta a sesizat aceeasi problema.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexneo View Post
    [...]se pare ca piratii nu ataca chiar orice nave, ci mai ales pe cele care se stie ca transporta si marfa ilegala pe langa cea declarata oficial.
    Nu stiu daca e asa dar pare o ipoteza plauzibila.
    nu e un pic dubioasa informatia asta? cum adica "se stie ca transporta si marfa ilegala"? chestiile astea "se stiu"?

    LE: piratii somalezi si-au facut blog.
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    When your workplace grinds to a halt under the weight of our taunting cartoons of Harry Potter being eaten by a bear, know that it was us.
    When your military crumbles as all communication lines are stuffed with our recipes for Injera, know that it was us.
    And when you look for us, to retaliate, know that you will not find us, as we are everywhere and nowhere all at once, out on the high seas.


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    Draguta faza asta cu somalipirate's journal... ii persifleaza pe raufacatorii marilor intr-un mod infantil, dar amuzant intr-o oarecare masura. Si probabil ca ideea de a concluziona ca Obama e cel mai slab presedinte american din ulitimii 100 de ani pentru ca a ucis indirect trei pirati somalezi e revolutionara. Nu le-ar fi trecut republicanilor prin minte asa ceva nici in 15 ani

    Cu privire la maestru Gates, care uite ca a ramas pe baricade si in noua administratie, el a zis simplu ca in confruntarile moderne /modern warfare/ nu iti trebuie neaparat armament de ultima generatie... si a subliniat /in fata unor pusti de la un colegiu militar/ ca salvarea lui Phillips sprijina propunerile sale ce au in vedere anularea unor proiecte 'big' ale Pentagonuli si reducerea altora. Deci interesu poarta fesu.. ca sa nu mai zic ca e si criza p-acolo, iar Obama reafirma cu fiecare ocazie ca anu 2009 va fi unul nasol pentru SUA.

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