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Old 31-10-2006, 22:41   #1 (permalink)
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Traffic shaping on Windows

Firul acesta de discutii il pornesc in ideea aducerii la cunostinta asupra acestui fapt: traffic shaping, respectiv prioritizarea pachetelor trimise/primite in/din internet.

Mai toata vara cautam un soft care sa faca aceasta, fiindca luam de pe torrente/dc, lucram, navigam, si spre seara vroiam si sa joc. Eram doua persoane intr-o retea locala. Problema aparea de indata ce se facea upload, atunci, si cred ca toata lumea stie, pingurile se duc inspre cer, iar din navigare se face o asteptare continua, iar sa joci devenea imposibil in cazul unui lag de 1 secunda sau mai mult. Si aici ma refer la WoW, ca FEAR jucat la peste 100 ms ping e moarte.

Peste solutie am dat azi noapte si de atunci pot sa folosesc banda la maxim, atat up cat si down, ca in WoW am sub 200 ms, iar navigarea merge ca si cum banda nu ar fi utilizata.

Aplicatia nu o spun din motivul (de altfel pe care nu-l inteleg) de a nu face publicitate care oricum e kaka fiindca nu e a mea, nici a vreunui roman de altfel. Anyway, daca lumea se dovedeste interesata de problema asta, vom detalia povestea.

Sa crape capra prioritazarii standard Windows XP a pachetelor, am upload aproape maxim, si ping in Google de 62 ms in medie.

Bwa ha ha ha, am scos pentru o clipa shaping-ul si in acelas google aveam 1204 ms in medie.

Chestia asta mai are o optiune de favorizare viteza sau latenta, cele 62 de ms le-am obtinut cu favorizarea ping-ului, cu favorizarea vitezei latenta vad ca e de vreo 87 ms.

Ok, hai ca incepe sa-mi placa. Am pus unlimited pe upload la un torrent, ping in google cu -t, media: 93 ms. Sa vad fara shaping... Holly, 1424 ms. Ambele pe un set de un ecran intreg de consola de reply-uri.

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Old 31-10-2006, 22:45   #2 (permalink)
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Zici odata ce ai de zis? Cu cap si coada?
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Old 31-10-2006, 22:57   #3 (permalink)
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Gata, am terminat de testat. Firul e destinat pentru a prezenta existenta unei solutii in cazul in care o persoana foloseste banda intr-o aplicatie si alte aplicatii nu mai raspund la fel de repede sau alte calculatoare dintr-o retea sunt defavorizate / totul pe Windows (caci traffic shaping vad ca numai pe Linux s-a discutat).
 
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Old 31-10-2006, 22:57   #4 (permalink)
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RedGuard, abia acum ai descoperit NetLimiter ?
 
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Old 31-10-2006, 23:03   #5 (permalink)
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Departe de NetLimiter. Tocmai asta prezentam, folosirea intregii benzi aferente, dar fara urcarea ping-ului la 1, 2 secunde cand trimiti un request (si pana ce vine reply-ul).
 
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Old 31-10-2006, 23:15   #6 (permalink)
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Eu folosesc WinTC. Se bazeaza pe Windows QoS Packet Scheduler. Merge pe Windows 2000 sau mai nou si e free.
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Old 31-10-2006, 23:29   #7 (permalink)
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Sa nu uitam diferenta dintre limitarea benzii si prioritizarea traficului. Daca, sa zicem, banda de upload e de 64 kBps, putem sa o limitam la 50 si restul de 14 raman pentru request-uri de www sau gaming communication (cel mai costisitor joc experimentat de mine a fost Battlefield 2142 cu 8 kBps down si 3 kBps up). Asta inseamna limitare.

Prioritazare inseamna sa ai in coada de asteptare date de 64 de Kb. Vin 3 request-uri www totalizand 300 bytes. In loc sa astepti sa se goleasca coada de trimitere, si apoi acele req sa fie trimise, le pui in fata => 63.7 Kb trimisi + reqs pentru www => timpul de raspuns muuult mai mic.

Chiar si in limitare efectiva, timpii de raspuns au de suferit chiar daca banda e folosita doar 80 %.

Scopul discutiei este aducerea la cunostinta a solutiilor de traffic shaping (fara traffic limiting) existente pentru Windows.
 
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Old 01-11-2006, 00:39   #8 (permalink)
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Pai daca citeai putin vedeai ca WinTC le face pe amandoua:

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WinTC is a program that can set upper limit on upstream bandwidth for
non-QoS applications (bandwidth control) or can prioritize network traffic
for certain applications (priority control)
Oricum, nici eu nu vad unde bati. Ai facut tu un astfel de program si vrei sa il vinzi? Sau vrei sa faci reclama unui program anume (comercial)?
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Old 01-11-2006, 00:51   #9 (permalink)
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Am citit. Ok, e o optiune. Nu vorbesc de ce folosesc, momentan, fiindca am doar o alternativa. Cand vor fi mai multe, o adaug si pe a mea, daca nu va fi mentionata.

Eu bat inspre a face cunoscuta aceasta gama de programe si ce beneficii aduce. Cititi bine posturile, ca am scris ca nu am facut eu vreun astfel de program, si nu mai luati atitudinea de "what else is new" in brate. De la 1400 ms la 92 e cale lunga.
 
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Old 01-11-2006, 01:17   #10 (permalink)
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Daca e un thread in care noi ar trebui sa ghicim ce soft "magic" ai descoperit peste noapte, ma bag si eu si dau cu presupusul: cFosSpeed, faster Internet access with Traffic Shaping . Eu asta folosesc.
Daca nu e un astfel de thread, nu-i vad sensul si o sa te rog pe tine sa ne luminezi, pentru ca vad ca nu sunt singurul in situatia asta...
P.S.: Nu mai spun ca e aberant sa o faci pe misteriosul ca sa nu creada lumea ca faci reclama acelui soft. Daca e sa o luam asa, te-as putea acuza ca ai facut deja reclama la Windows XP, WoW, Google si FEAR... Mania persecutiei, cumva?
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Bingo, asta era. Well, l-ai zis tu.

In rest: WTF? Rostul firului de discutii l-am scris de vreo 3 ori deja.
 
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Old 01-11-2006, 11:30   #12 (permalink)
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Un singur user o tot tragea cu firul discutiei si acela era fanaticul coltalb care romaniza tot ce prindea ....
Man ai transmis foarte greu informatia ta, outeai sa o faci mult mai simplu.
Puteai sa zici din 3-4 randuri clar ce aveai de zis si ne puteai scuti de ghicitul softului.
Sa prezinti un soft util noua nu cred ca e reclama.

O sa folosesc si eu softul tau minune sa vad ce stie sa faca
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Doamne cata lalaiala pentru un soft nenorocit, cand puteai de la inceput sa ne zici ce e si gata.
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Old 01-11-2006, 23:20   #14 (permalink)
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Hai ca am vazut-o si pe asta. FEAR Combat jucat in timp ce toata banda era utilizata pe download/upload. 100 ms in medie.
 
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[mx]n0b0dy, îmi trimiţi şi mie fişierul tău de configurare pentru WinTC? Că am o serie de nelămuriri şi mi-e cam lene să experimentez.
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Pentru Win nu este un program sa le faca pe toate si traffic shaping si limitare (NetLimiter) si sa aiba o interfata pentru configurare?
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Bingo, asta era. Well, l-ai zis tu.

In rest: WTF? Rostul firului de discutii l-am scris de vreo 3 ori deja.
Redguard, tragi pe nas, ce ai patit?
Esti secretos rau, posturi aiurea, etc.
Programu asta, cfos... nu e bun de nimic, il stiu de ani de zile.
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Redguard, tragi pe nas, ce ai patit?
Esti secretos rau, posturi aiurea, etc.
Programu asta, cfos... nu e bun de nimic, il stiu de ani de zile.
Zi tu unul bun sau mai bun ca asta.
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mie mi-a dat o gramada de conflicte la instalare + ca softul e trial version!Trbuie configurat ceva sau il lasi asa cum a venit de mama natura??
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In principiu cFos vine cu majoritatea aplicatiilor folosite gata prioritizate, eu a mai trebuit sa trec Apex si F.E.A.R. Combat in lista si sa urc prioritatea la WoW la highest, doar pentru a fi sigur.
 
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