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Old 26-03-2007, 13:23   #1 (permalink)
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Problema cu sunetul in XP

Configuratia: WinXP-SP2 proaspat, placa Fortissimo4, Winamp cu plugin de out Kernel_streaming (out_ks.dll).

Problema: winamp-ul nu poate face play la fisiere cu 44khz...mp3, wav, nu conteaza formatul. Merge play numai la ce e cu 48khz sampling (windows sounds default). Pe plugin de out directsound merge orice sampling (pare logic, trece prin kmixer.sys, dar tocmai asta nu vreau).

Mai departe: ciudatenia e ca pana la reinstalare nu a facut asa, mergea fara probleme. Daca opresc serviciul windows audio, merge winamp si pe out_ks fara probleme, pe orice sampling/format. Pornesc iar serviciul windows audio, merge winamp pana il inchid. Deschid iar winamp-ul....vechea problema, iar nu mai vrea.

Concluzia ar fi ca windows-ul tine un fel de "lock" pe placa de sunet la "sampling-ul" lui intern de 48khz si din cauza asta orice alta incercare de a face play fara directsound (adica sa nu treaca prin kmixer.sys ala idiot) la alt sampling decat 48khz esueaza. Logic ar fi sa nu faca "lock" permanent la device, sa-i faca numai atunci cand are nevoie sa faca play la vreun sunet din aplicatii si apoi sa-i dea release.
Nu stiu cum totusi functiona inainte de reinstall, dar e clar ca mergea.

S-a mai lovit cineva de problema asta, stie cineva cum ar putea fi rezolvata ?
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Old 28-03-2007, 12:20   #2 (permalink)
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chiar nimeni, nici o idee ?
 
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Old 28-03-2007, 12:27   #3 (permalink)
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Old 28-03-2007, 12:51   #4 (permalink)
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@Cosmin - salut, stiu ca e foarte probabil sa ai dreptate.
in alta ordine de idei...stiu ca tu ai revo 5.1 (sau aveai cel putin).
nu stiu cat de mult ii folosesti iesirea spdif, dar ai incercat vreodata cam ce ziceam eu cu auto_switch pe sampling rate ? si daca da, ti-a mers ok, fara bataie de cap ?
 
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Old 28-03-2007, 12:57   #5 (permalink)
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din ce am citit pe net out_ks.dll foloseste framework de .net.
ai putea sa incerci sa instalezi.....framework-ul de .net
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Old 28-03-2007, 13:11   #6 (permalink)
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@asmvax - intr-adevar, am gasit ceva legat de o dependenta
insa problema nu se pune ca nu merge deloc, ci ca nu merge atata vreme cat e pornit serviciul windows audio.
in plus de asta, pe vechiul xp instalat mergea....sigur nu aveam .net instalat. probabil ca intre timp am pus ceva care a ajutat la asta, dar nu stiu ce. posibil sa fie legat de vreun filtru asociat directshow, dar nu stiu ce anume foloseste xp-ul cand play-eaza wav-urile alea din windows. pt ca inainte facea un zgomot la pornire (adica avea un wav care se auzea cand pornea), dar dupa asta mergea absolut ok.
 
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Old 28-03-2007, 13:15   #7 (permalink)
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nu am zis de tot pachetul .net.
framework-ul este si in unele update-uri de windows.
poate ai instalat vreun update si a instalat automat si dll-urile folosite de ala....
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Old 28-03-2007, 13:25   #8 (permalink)
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hai sa iti dau mai multe detalii, ca poate ajuta
xp-ul vechi nu avea nici un fel de update de windows facut (nu am simtit niciodata nevoia si nici probleme n-am avut din cauza asta). avea instalate k-lite codec pack si ac3filter din ce imi aduc aminte - ca si codec-uri. n-as fi prea convins ca se trage de la astea cumva, dar e clar ca in timp i s-a modificat ceva care a permis duda cu out_ks si auto-switch la spdif (care in mod "normal" nu functioneste)
 
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ia vezi si "foobar2000" are niste setari legate de chestia asta....
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Old 28-03-2007, 14:27   #10 (permalink)
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merci again, asmvax. asta era urmatoarea chestie pe care voiam s-o incerc diseara...sa dau cu foobar, tot pe k.s., poate o fi pluginul ala de la winamp mai ciufutel.
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in alta ordine de idei...stiu ca tu ai revo 5.1 (sau aveai cel putin).
nu stiu cat de mult ii folosesti iesirea spdif, dar ai incercat vreodata cam ce ziceam eu cu auto_switch pe sampling rate ? si daca da, ti-a mers ok, fara bataie de cap ?
Da, am un Revo 5.1 dar nu l-am folosit pe digital decat ocazional, pentru a testa boxe sau receivere cu intrare digitala. Nu am incercat sa schimb sampling rate; singurele experimente in domeniul asta a fost cu DirectSound output v.2.2.6 SSRC care la resampling 24/192 a produs un rezultat mai sharp, mai strident dar cam ciudat/artificial, si cu ASIO output plug-in, care la fel de ciudat suna in momentul activarii resampling. Dupa treaba asta am renuntat la orice tentativa de resampling, lasand sunetul asa cum vrea sa-l dea placa de sunet si windozele...
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Old 29-03-2007, 11:24   #12 (permalink)
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merci, Cosmin. am incercat si eu Asio la winamp si intr-adevar are nevoie de resampling 44.1<-> 48 khz, lucru care e fara sens din moment ce cumperi placa de sunet non-resampling tocmai ca sa eviti asta. singura solutie pentru "bit perfect output" universala (ca sa zic asa) pe care am gasit-o a fost winamp+kernel_streaming (si powerdvd pentru dvd-uri, unde oricum nu era problema de bit-perfect)
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nu inteleg ce problema ai tu, da-mi o poza poate reusesc sa ti rezolv problema cu winamp-ul
 
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Old 10-04-2007, 14:13   #14 (permalink)
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@Pharaoh_KiLLaH
am incercat sa descriu initial...dupa ce porneste windows-ul, rata de sampling a placii de sunet ramane la 48khz, pt ca sunetele din windows sunt la 48khz.
daca incerc sa dau play la winamp cu plugin kernel_streaming la orice format de sunet care e la 44khz de exemplu (orice altceva decat 48khz), nu merge. aparent pt ca nu poate "schimba" rata de sampling a placii, din motiv ca e "blocata" la 48khz de "ceva". evident, pe plugin direct_sound merge, pt ca nu comunica direct cu driverele placii. daca opresc serviciul windows audio, atunci merge fara probleme.

oricum, intre timp am reusit sa rezolv problema prin reinstalarea winamp-ului...n-am prea inteles exact motivul, dar asta e, acum merge. e clar ca diferea ceva inainte fata de acum, dar nu am mai stat sa-mi bat capul sa vad unde si ce anume exact.
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chiar nimeni, nici o idee ?
ba descarca itunes si o sa ity mearga impecabil
sau daca nu bagat windous 7
 
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Old 06-11-2009, 13:28   #16 (permalink)
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Ti-ai ales bine numele, topicul e vechi de peste 2 ani jumate, cred ca a rezolvat problema intre timp.
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