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Old 19-07-2008, 22:10   #1
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Cum decodez filmele HD cu ajutorul placii video ?

Am o placa video 8800 GTS care sigur are decodare HD pe placa. Cum m-as putea folosi de aceasta facilitate, astfel incat sa folosesc placa video pentru decodare in locul procesorului, care tot timpul in timpul vizualizarii sta la 45 % ? E vorba de filme .mkv full HD.
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Old 19-07-2008, 23:04   #2
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Incearca cu Media Player Classic Homecinema...

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Modern graphics card offer the possibility to decode partially or completely a video stream using DirectX Video Acceleration (DXVA), in order to reduce CPU usage dramatically. MPC-HC includes an embedded video decoder that uses this technology, to decode H.264 and VC-1 with hardly any CPU time required.

PS: daca vrei sa folosesti decodarea hardware in alt player poti sa folosesti si codecul separat MPCVideoDec.ax...
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Old 19-07-2008, 23:14   #3
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Am instalat K-Lite Codec Pack Full 4.0. Nu include acest codec ?
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daca n-ai reusit cumva, uite cum poti sa instalezi manual codecul:

1) extrage fisierul "MPCVideoDec.ax" intr-un director ( C:\WINDOWS\ spre ex)
2) da start > run > regsvr32 "C:\WINDOWS\MPCVideoDec.ax"
3) da start > run > "C:\Program Files\K-Lite Codec Pack\Tools\dsconfig.exe" {008BAC12-FBAF-497B-9670-BC6F6FBAE2C4}
(foloseste calea unde ai instalat K-lite)
4) pentru a-l configura du-te la "Codecs" si bifeaza "H264/AVC"
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Old 19-07-2008, 23:37   #5
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Trebuie intai sa instalezi NVIDIA PureVideo Decoder
http://www.nvidia.com/object/dvd_dec...223-trial.html
Dupa asta trebuie sa folosesti un player mai istet. Eu folosesc VLC media player si am 0% CPU usage.
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
 
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Old 19-07-2008, 23:42   #6
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PureVideo Decoder este doar pt. MPEG2.. aici era vorba de decodarea H264/AVC/VC-1.
si vezi ca VLC foloseste doar codecurile interne chiar daca ai instalat PureVideo, deci fara accelerare GPU...
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Old 20-07-2008, 00:09   #7
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Old 20-07-2008, 00:14   #8
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Am incercat eu pureVideo, doar decodare dvd-uri video.
La mkv n-ai cum 0 Cpu Usage cu VLC.
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Purevideo nu decodeaza H.264, punct. Probabil ca daca l-ai dezinstala ai vedea ca nu este nici o diferenta.

OClaudiu, daca instalezi Nero 8, vezi ca Showtime are si el suport bun Purevideo HD.
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Old 20-07-2008, 09:01   #10
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Da ce are daca sta procesorul la 45% te mai joci in timp ce te uiti la film ?
 
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Purevideo nu decodeaza H.264, punct. Probabil ca daca l-ai dezinstala ai vedea ca nu este nici o diferenta.
Ete fleosc! Atata timp cat eu vad in combinatia de mai sus mkv, H.264, X.264, DivX sau XviD cu 0% CPU Usage si fara sa instalez alte pachete de codec-uri de ce sa-l dezinstalez? Dar mai sti? Poate o fi AMD-ul meu de 150 de lei mai tare decat procesoarele voastre.
 
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Old 20-07-2008, 19:57   #13
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daca n-ai reusit cumva, uite cum poti sa instalezi manual codecul:

1) extrage fisierul "MPCVideoDec.ax" intr-un director ( C:WINDOWS spre ex)
2) da start > run > regsvr32 "C:WINDOWSMPCVideoDec.ax"
3) da start > run > "C:Program FilesK-Lite Codec PackToolsdsconfig.exe" {008BAC12-FBAF-497B-9670-BC6F6FBAE2C4}
(foloseste calea unde ai instalat K-lite)
4) pentru a-l configura du-te la "Codecs" si bifeaza "H264/AVC"
multumesc. de mult caut asta. am incercat cu purevideo , si intradevar nu merge pe h264.
mplayer consuma 1-2% procesor ( c2d 2160, 8600gt) pe 720p la un film care inainte imi mergea sacadat ( probabil este codat prost)
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Asta e cea mai simpla solutie. Doar ca trebuie si un driver video mai nou.

EVR Custom Presenter din Homecinema este excelent.
 
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am incercat cu mpc homecinema si daca selectez dx9 intradevar am workload la cpu f scazut dar filmul nu merge cursiv, nu poate randa 25fps. daca selectez haali media splitter creste cpu workload si nu mai am probleme cu frameurile.
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incearca sa mai umbi la setarile de la output... la mine spre ex merge sacadat pe VMR9 renderless daca este bifat "VMR9 mixer mode"..

si ca sa mearga DXVA (DirectX Video Acceleration) pentru H264 trebuie sa ai o placa video ATI din seria HD sau nVidia 8xxx+
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Old 22-07-2008, 21:25   #17
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DXVA functioneaza si pentru codarea x264 ? Credeti ca cea mai slaba placa din gama HD , si anume HD2400 suporta aceasta decodare si va ajuta procesorul ?
 
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DXVA functioneaza si pentru codarea x264 ? Credeti ca cea mai slaba placa din gama HD , si anume HD2400 suporta aceasta decodare si va ajuta procesorul ?
x264 = h.264 open source
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PureVideo nu decodeaza H.264, PureVideo HD da. Se poate decoda hardware orice film encodat MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC, VC-1, H.264... adica filme DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-Ray.
Filmele in container .mkv sunt encodate cu x264, un encoder open source bazat pe standardul H.264 dar care nu este 100% compliant. Din acest motiv un fisier encodat x264 nu poate fi decodat hardware in totalitate.
Folosind decoderu H.264 din PowerDVD in Media Player Classic, poti obtine un minim de decodare hardware folosind DXVA, dar este departe de rezultatul full hardware.

Era o data pe site-ul nvidia explicat intr-o poza etapele de decodare la un semnal HD. Sunt 5 mari etape in procesul de decodare. In mod software, toate sunt facute de catre CPU, in combinatia de mai sus, etapa de deinterlacing si deblocking este facuta hardware, restul software, iar in conditiile unui playback de Blu-Ray cu decodare hardware, toate cele 5 etape sunt facute hardware.

Ideea este ca din multe teste pe net s-a demonstrat ca, CoreAVC in mod software este cateodata mai performant (dpdv al CPU Usage) decat PowerDVD cu putina decodare hardware a lui.
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cazul meu
am luat ultima versiune de MPC HD v1.1.604.0, am setat in optiuni la Playback - Output modul EVR Custom Pres. (ca sa poata incarca si subtitrarea cu modulul intern), apoi am incarcat un fisier avand container .mov dar cu continut video H.264 (encodat probabil cu QT, un trailer HD 1080p de pe http://www.apple.com/trailers/) filtrul intern si-a facut datoria si a decodat materialul HD cu ajutorul placii video (GeForce 8600GT), mpc ocupa din procesor undeva intre 0 si 3% maxim, apoi am incercat un film encodat cu x264 in container .mkv, nu a functionat decodarea cu ajutorul placii video. am instalat nvidia pur video decoder v1.02.233 si treaba s-a rezolvat, dar... in ~15% din tot ceea ce am incercat (x264 in container .mkv / .avi) decodarea hardware nu a functionat... adica tot cu procesorul le decodez, am verificat in MPC meniul Play - Filters - MPC Video Decoder zice DXVA Mode: Not using DXVA. atunci cand functioneaza la anumite filme (encodate cu x264) in MPC meniul Play - Filters - MPC Video Decoder zice DXVA Mode: H.264 bitstream decoder, no FGT.
la inceput in incercarile mele de a rezolva problema x264 am bifat filtrul intern Matroska, mi-am dat seama si l-am debifat, acum foloseste filtru extern Haali Media Splitter si o parte din filmele encodate cu x264 ce nu puteau fi decodate hardware atunci... acum sunt, dar nu toate tot a ramas un procentaj ceva mai mic de filme pe care nu "vrea" sa le decodeze hardware. am observat ca o mare pondere o au filmele la rezolutie 1080p encodate cu x264, nu sunt decodate hardware (cu sau fara filtrul intern Matroska) desi la cele pur H.264 (1080p .mov) nu are nici o problema.

am gasit 2 titluri 1080p care au functionat: Jumper.1080p.BluRay.x264-SECTOR7 dar cu arteface la anumite "key-frame-uri" si Syriana.2005.BluRay.1080p.AC3.x264.dxva-EuReKA.mkv (numele fisierului si titlul din interiorul containerului spun multe "X264 - 2 passes FGO patched").

cateva exemple din filmele <= 720p ce nu pot fi decodate hardware in cazul meu:
Toate.Panzele.Sus.Complete.DVDRiP.x264-SpRk
Eternals.Sunshine.of.the.Spotless.Mind.720p.x264.mkv
The.Lord.Of.The.Rings.Return.Of.The.King.2003.720p.HDTV.x264-THOR.mkv
Alien.720p.X264.DD2.0-FreelancE.mkv
La.Haine.1995.720p.HDDVDRip.x264-PROGRESS.mkv
Bee.Movie.2007.720p.BluRay.DTS.x264-ESiR.mkv
etc.

mai am vre-o doua titluri pe care le decodeaza hardware dar tremura imaginea, cand le scanez cu MediaInfo (vederea in mod text este mai detaliata) la sectiunea Video scrie la Codec/Info: Intel H.264 (in loc de Advanced Video Codec) la inceput am avut impresia ca este de la vesiunea encoderului cu care au fost facute (vezi MediaInfo la sectiunea Video scrie la Writing library: x264 core 54 svn-620M, o pondere mare o aveau cele cu "core 54", dar am scanat si titlurile ce puteau fi decodate hardware si am gasit valori identice cu cele ce nu puteau fi decodate hardware.

ar mai fi de mentionat ca 2 instante de mpc hd ce decodeaza hardware doua filme 720p... nu pot fi vizionate, merg amandoua cu intreruperi/sacadat (nu stiu daca motivul este placa video sau implementarea decodorului).
2 instante de mpc ce decodeaza software (CoreAVC) doua filme 1080p, in task manager incarcarea este undeva pe la ~55%, procesorul este un E8400 la 3GHz.

acum vine intrebarea, ce consuma mai mult curent, decodarea materialului HD cu GPU sau cu CPU ?
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