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| senior intruder Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Timisoara | Eudora 5
Mai tineti minte topicul cu 'best email manager' unde personal nu am gasit nici un concurent veritabil pt. OE? Am prins pe atunci cateva soapte despre Eudora, insa nu am avut timp sa-l testez pana azi. Prima impresie este destul de buna. In mare se pare ca face fata cerintelor mele si are cam tot ce are si OE. Fiind un mail manager dedicat produs de o firma mica, pare cu mult mai complex, poate exagerat de complex fata de OE. De ex. a trebuit sa stau pe help destul de mult pana m-am prins cum introduc un nou account. Nici pana acum nu am reusit sa-mi dau seama cum pot face setari diferite la smtp si mai ales unde introduc datele de logon pt smtp (ca si in OE " my server req. auth."), suparator find si faptul ca nu stocheaza parola. A mai dat un crash de zile mari la import > 10000 mailuri &address book baban din OE, apar tot felul de mesaje funny cand trimit mailuri (a se vedea atasament), insa in mare promite. E impresionant speed-ul de send&receive mail, e mai rapid ca si Opera (ma refer la mesaje cu atasamente). O sa-l tin in teste inca o saptamana, insa doresc sa cunosc si parerea celor care il folosesc de mai mult timp. Si sper sa fie pareri obiective cat de cat, ca doar nu sunteti angajati la firma lor As fi recunoscator sa nu fiu 'perturbat' de fanii Bat.
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deci eu folosesc Eudora de 3 sau patru versiuni incoace ( adika de 3 ani ) si este banal de simplu Vezi ca ai wizard pentru creeare de conturi noi si daca te duci in tabul ala cu niste capete pe el si dai click pe el ai exact fieldurile specificate pop3 , smtp , parola ( pe care o poti seta sa ramana stocata din options ) bla bla Chiar daca are multe optiuni, este adevarat, daca le lasi default ar trebui sa meraga fara nici o problema | |||
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| senior intruder Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Timisoara |
Ma bucur ca dau de cineva cu experienta. Astfel, am cateva intrebari pe puncte. Stocarea parolei nu o face decat pt contul principal (dominant). Chiar daca e bifat in Options, la toate conturile ulterioare ma intreaba de parola. Mai este altundeva optiunea de store pass? Cum pot face iesire de smtp separata pt. un cont anume. Adica ca si in OE unde se bifeaza my server req. auth. si se introduce username&pass (diferit de incoming)? Deocamdata am cateva probleme la incoming. La accountul secundar imi apare eroare. EUdoara incearca sa dea viata si umor situatiilor disperate, insa nu cred ca e apreciat daca nu da si solutii ori macar explicatii. La al doilea account intodeauna primesc eroare de genul...eudora said, pass is (sshht) and the server respond: errr, bad login. Adica folosesc acelasi setari, pass&stuff ca si in OE, insa aici am probleme. E ceva ce imi scapa? Nu am nici o posibilitate de a avea acces la proprietatiile mai avansate de la accounturi aditionale, asa cum am si la cel principal? Cel putin in Options am info doar despre accountul principal. Cred ca asta e un punct in minus foarte mare fatza de OE, unde toate account-urile sunt egale si pot fi setate la fel de usor. | ||
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Mie nu imi place Eudora. L-am avut, l-am testat, nu merge bine... are multe defecte. Am gasit The Bat! Ăsta da client de mail. The Bat! e cel mai adevărat după părerea mea. Simplu, mic, merge bine, nu trebuie reinstalat,...etc.
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care foarte multe defecte ??? am bagat The Bat ... e bun este adevarat dar nu mi'a oferit absolut nimik in plus ... iar Eudora este reinstalat doar cand reinstalez windows'ul ... mailurile asteptandu'ma linistite in directorul personalizat care nu a mai fost sters de cativa ani . hmmm
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| senior intruder Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Timisoara |
A picat testul cu brio. Sincer, imi pare rau sa zic asta, dar OE nu are rival nici pe departe. Din pacate nu am timp sa intru in detalii, dar o sa revin in curand cu explicatii. Pacat, parea promitator. Va rog nu amintiti de Bat. Eu incerc sa tin la termenul de professional email manager si nu just another Notepad on za desk. O sa revin..
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| senior intruder Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Timisoara |
Nu vreau sa fiu inteles gresit. A picat testul doar din pct meu de vedere. Intr-adevar e cel mai bun mail manager dedicat pe care l-am vazut si merita toata atentia, mai ales ca e un manager separat si nu e integrat in OS si nu are legaturi cu MS, astfel confidentialitatea datelor este asigurata. Insa pt. mine personal nu e bun. Din cauza ca nu se poate edita/lucra direct in sursa emailului. Are probleme mari cand incerci sa setezi account-uri cu smtp diferit. Din cauza asta de multe ori nu poate rezolva (aka trimte/primi) mailurile corect. Greutatea cu care poti modifica/seta account-urile aditionale (fine tunnings) Cateodata ingheata la creearea unui nou account. La backup se pierd atasamentele. Interfata e foarte incarcata si cateodata greoaie...dar asta e si o chestie de gusturi si obisnuinta. Dar repet, astea sunt problemele mele strict personale si de asta nu voi renunta la OE. Insa in rest pt. cineva care vrea doar un email manager cu care sa trimita si sa primeasca emailuri simple si nu e un tool ca si pt. mine, este excelent. Pt. mine este...just another Notepad in za house. | ||
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| senior intruder Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Timisoara |
Punctul 2 e mai interesant, la restul poate fi si greseala personala, graba&stuff. Poate in afara de blocaje care sunt destul de frecvente sub xp. La problema cu iesiri..primul cont e master, la restul nu mai poti pune smtp cu pass diferit...asa cum e in OE (my server req authentification), de fiecare data cand trimit un mail de pe cont slave, ma intreaba de pass, dupa care sta pe ganduri si da erori, dar culmea...chiar daca zice ca nu a putut trimite mailu (err, bad login), totusi unele mailuri trec si ajung la destinatie. Cam aiurea. Repet, sunt sigur ca e foarte bun, prea multa lume zice asta, insa personal am dubii mari atat timp cat trebuie sa stau 2 x ori mai mult la setari decat la OE care e mult mai popular si simplu de manuit. Dar e MS, ori asta e un bug greu de acceptat. In fine, cred ca pozitia Eudorei este foarte amenintata de noul Opera mail, care este periculos de tentant. DIn pacate e versiune beta si nu se poate spune nici de rau si nici de bine clar. Dar pt. un beta, e mai mult decat promitator. | ||
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A aparut versiunea 5.2 ... nu am testat'o inca . se poate ca blocarile sa fie o incopatibilitate ceva intre XP si versiunile mai vechi dar este doar o presupunere pentru ca eu am folosit eudora doar pe Win 98 pana acum ... Intradevar exista un cont master .. nu stiu de ce pentru ca daca setezi manual fiecare cont in parte (nu am folosit wizardul niciodata ) cu cllik dreapta si sa pui ce smtp vrei. Sa nu intelegi gresit ... nu sunt genul de fan sau ceva de genu dar sunt insa impotriva unor anumite programe ( poate doar si din principiu ) cum este de exemplu OE. Asa cum spuneam si in alt topic ... am incercat la un moment dat The Bat sa vad daca ofera ceva in plus ... si nu mi'a oferit nimik .... iar in dezavantaj pentru el era asa cum vorbeam mai sus si obisnuinta cu alt program ( Eudora ) de aceea continui aceasta discutie pentru ca nu prea am intalnit oameni care folosesc Eudora si e bkine sa mai afli una alta si din experienta altora despre un program in folosinta. | |||
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Atasez si schimbarile in noua versiune ... ocazie cu care realizez ca eu folosesc v 5.1 si nu 5.1.1 ---------------------------------------------- CHANGES FROM 5.1.1 TO 5.2 ---------------------------------------------- NEW FEATURES ------------ Can now filter on "doesn't intersect nickname" and "intersects/doesn't intersect address book". Kerberos 5 support (see below). AUTHENTICATION AND ENCRYPTION ----------------------------- New in 5.2 is support for Kerberos 5. To turn it on for a given personality, open the personality's properties by right-clicking that personality and choosing "Properties". Go to the "Incoming Mail" tab, and choose the "Kerberos" radio button under "Authentication style". Fixed interaction problem that would cause the SSL negotiation to fail if both SSL and Kerberos were used in the same session and server name specified was a cname. Fixed problem that could cause Eudora to abort an SSL connection immediately after a successful handshake. The default TLS/SSL negotiation for standard port is now TLS 1.0 protocol with a TLS 1.0 client hello. The default negotiation for alternate port is TLS 1.0 protocol with a SSL 2.0 client hello. Upgraded internal SSL libraries. Fixed bug that might prevent sending a message if SMTP authentication is optional and the authentication attempt fails. Improved security for POP connections using SSL. Max password size is now 128 characters. IMAP ---- Added support for displaying IMAP alerts in the task error window. Support EMSAPI with IMAP accounts <x-Eudora-option:ImapSupportEMSAPI>. GUARDING AGAINST EXPLOITS ------------------------- Added Windows Media Player file extensions (asf|asx|wax|wm|wvx) and mhtml to list of extensions that Eudora warns about before launching. Prevent trailing period attachment name exploit. Added checks to prevent spoofed Attachment Converted: exploits. When "Allow executables in HTML content" is off, we now prevent <t:video> and other <t:media> tags as well as <meta> when http-equiv=refresh. We now guard against exploits that rely on local file refs (using either fixed paths or relative paths). On by default and controlled by <x-Eudora-option:RemoveSuspiciousLocalFileRefs>. We now guard against exploits that rely on executable embedded content. On by default and is controlled by <x-Eudora-option:PreventExecutableEmbededContent>. <x-Eudora-option:PreventExecutableEmbededContentAdd> adds to the list of executable embedded content file extensions that will not be displayed. <x-Eudora-option:PreventExecutableEmbededContentSubtract> subtracts from the list of executable embedded content file extensions that will not be displayed. PASTING ------- Fixed bug where pasting over all text could lose style information like excerpt bars. Made "Paste As Quotation" smarter about excerpt levels. Fixed crash when choosing "Paste Special->Eudora Internal Format". Turned on support for Pasting as HTML <x-Eudora-option:AllowClipboardHTML>. Sped up pasting of HTML. Fixed HTML format when copying so that pasting works better in certain cases. Improved pasting of HTML to strip script contents instead of displaying them. Fixed crash that could occur when pasting. SEARCH WINDOW ------------- Fixed behavior of Mailbox menu when search window is frontmost. Fixed other search window menu item enabling and behavior. Deleting messages in search window no longer incorrectly marks certain messages as read. Deleting messages in search window leaves messages in search results. EDITING AND VIEWING ------------------- Bullet shape now reflects indent level while editing. Bullet and indented items offsetting from surrounding text is now smarter. Fixed bug where a bullet line followed by two non-bullet lines would be saved and sent as a bullet line followed by one non-bullet line (line break was lost). Some other minor HTML formatting improvements. AUTO-COMPLETE ------------- Auto-Complete continues when spaces are typed. Auto-Complete completion now triggered by right arrow key. Auto-Complete is now smarter about finding entries with quotation marks. MISCELLANEOUS IMPROVEMENTS -------------------------- Now supports choosing connection each time Eudora initiates Dial-up networking when either entry is blank or <X-Eudora-Option:RasChooseBeforeEveryConnection=1> is set (in which case the entry controls the initial selection). (Windows NT 4.0, 2000, & XP only) Added <x-Eudora-option:AutoCompAddrBookFirst> (default on) setting to make autocompletion prefer address book entries over history list. Extra logging of compaction, TOC changes, filter actions, and LMOS decisions. Now possible to change name <Dominant> with resource DLL. X-Sender header is now only included when return address doesn't match user data. Eudora now preserves multiple extensions when uniquely numbering attachments (e.g. file5.tar.gz rather than file.tar5.gz). Added X-Habeas to list of headers to hide. Reply to All now works for sent messages (i.e. to follow up on a message you sent). Allow unprintable low characters when using built in viewer or when editing. MISCELLANEOUS BUG FIXES ----------------------- Possible fix for conflict where McAfee virus scanning could cause Eudora to repeatedly fail to complete email downloading when the user receives an infected email message. Fixed bug where non-integral hour timezones west of GMT would print out bogus timezones. Fixed obscure HTML rendering bug when a quoted attribute value contains a CRLF. Fixed crash when ESP filter and user filter affected same message. Fixed bug where clicking on some links would cause an empty web browser window to open. Fixed bug where the "warn me when I queue a message bigger than" check could forget to use the latest text of the message when checking the size. Fixed bug where a changed "From:" personality could incorrectly revert to a previously chosen personality after queuing a message. Fixed bug where using "Special->Make Address Book Entry" could cause Eudora to hang when adding an entry that contained two or more spaces in a row. Fixed potential crash when compacting mailboxes with long pathnames. Fixed crash that could occur with invalid extra long MIME boundaries. Fixed Windows charset transliteration in headers. | |||
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| senior intruder Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Timisoara |
Adica mai pe scurt 5.2 a ajuns aproape de nivelul OE. Apropo de OE, singura mea mare problema este producatorul si confidentialitatea datelor. Daca nu ar exista acest bug, nici prin cap nu mi-ar trece sa-l schimb. Eudora este privit cu ochii foarte buni de toti cei care folosesc mailu in mod profesional. Este foarte apreciat, insa de obicei se lasa la rece cam jumatate de an dupa aparitia unei noi versiuni, pana se curata de bug-uri. Eu nu am mai avut rabdarea asta. Ideea de baza la orice program ar trebui sa fie si principiul pe care a mers MS si nu se poate spune ca nu a castigat. KISS. Adica Keep It Simple and Stupid. Ori acount managementul e punctul principal al fiecarui program dedicat si aici ar trebui sa existe toate optiunile din lume indiferent daca ai nevoie ori ba. degeaba are tot felul de chestii inutile, daca inima e bolnava. | ||
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"Keep It Simple and Stupid" in alta ordine de idei sunt perect de acord cu asta ceea ce ma deranjeaza pe mine este exact faptul ca nu ai si alta posibilitate decat KISS | |||
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