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Old 09-07-2003, 15:53   #1 (permalink)
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Foarte ciudat!

Ok. Here is my problem: De cate ori am processor usage 100% mouseul nu mai merge cum trebuie. Adica de exemplu incep sa encodez un film cu VirtualDub - merge foarte sluggish si cateodata nu raspunde la miscarile mele cum ar trebui. Si cand maximilizez o fereastra sau deschid IE, pentru fractiunea de secunda cand se duce proc usage la 100% se simte cum se freaca putin mouseul. Prima oara am crezut ca este de la hdd, dar am facut un test de copiat un fisier mare dintr-o parte in alta pe aceeasi partitie si viteza este buna si proc usage scazut si no mouse frecking. Hardwareul meu: athlon900, radeon 7200, 512 sdram, gigabyte kt133a, hdd ibm 7200, teac 8/8/32, pioneer dvdrom 10x, tastatura a4tech si mouse a4tech cu un scroll wheel. Systemul de operare Windows XP SP1 cu dx9a si ultimul Hyperion. Problema a aparut acum cateva zile - timp de 5 luni totul mergand flawless. Any suggestions? Nu vreau sa reinstall...
 
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Old 10-07-2003, 00:49   #2 (permalink)
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pai de obicei cand ai usage 100% mausul merge sacadat, ca se ineaca procesorul. nu e nimic ciudat.

hdd-ul nu utilizeaza decat in mica masura cpu-ul (3-5%), asa ca nu ti se misca mausul sacadat cand faci transferuri masive.
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Old 10-07-2003, 01:08   #3 (permalink)
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Man, crede-ma in 8 ani de cand cu calculatoarele astea stiu exact cum se misca mouseul cand e procesorul incarcat. Aici e altceva, complet diferit nu stiu cum sa explic. De exemplu in DScaler - care foloseste procesorul 100% se misca aiurea rau de tot - cand dau in sus merge extrem de greu si am observat ca si wheelul face probleme. Pana acum 4 zile - nici o problema. A inceput asa dintr-o data. Am incercat uninstall - reinstall de drivere de mouse. Nimic. Si mai mult, asa face si pe un mouse serial. Deci nu e chestie hardware - e din cauza Windowsului si nu am idee unde sa umblu. Am reinstalat dx9 si via4in1 fara nici un rezultat. Daca as gasi processul raspunzator doar de mouse (pacat ca nu exista asa ceva) as fi dat usage realtime si probabil problema s-ar fi rezolvat.
 
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Old 10-07-2003, 10:58   #4 (permalink)
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Ti-ai pus, lately, vreun antivirus mare consumator de CPU atunci cand deschizi o aplicatie? Sa vezi cat ia la mine la porneasca Total Commander cu Kav 4.0.6 Monitor. Iti vine sa plangi
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Old 10-07-2003, 11:24   #5 (permalink)
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Ok, further testing suggests that this may be a hardware problem, deci rog operatorii sa mute threadul la hardware.

M-am uitat la procese, nimic dubios, am rulat un antivirus (nu am asa ceva care ruleaza mereu - am aceleasi applicatii care le aveam cu o luna in urma in systray si nu cauzau asta) si un program de detectat addware software. Nimic. De nervi am decis sa reinstalez Windowsul. Toate bune si frumoase pana cand am ramas stupefiat sa vad ca se intampla acelasi lucru (noroc ca imi facusem un backup cu ghost). Acum stau si ma intreb.... ce dracu s-a putut intampla pentru ca nu am modificat nimic harwdare in calculator. From this point on am disable-at cam tot ce se poate in bios - porturi seriale, parallel, etc. No result. Am observat ca tunerul foloseste acelasi IRQ ca si mouseul PS/2. Am mutat pe alt slot si culmea - a mers 10 minute, dupa care iar au inceput figurile. Chiar nu pot sa inteleg de la ce se intampla asta.
 
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Old 10-07-2003, 12:54   #6 (permalink)
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stargate, nu conteaza atat usage-ul cat prioritatea lui. eu am usage 100% tot timpul, din cauza ca ruleaza seti. dar, el este pe idle priority, adica orice alt proces poate ocupa procesorul fara sa se uite la seti. deci inclusiv miscarea mausului.

daca pun seti pe highest priority, mausul D'ABIA SE MISCA!!! imi ia 2-3 minute numai sa-l pun la loc pe idle priority. deci sacadarea, parerea mea, se datoreaza unui proces cu prioritate si usage mare.

chiar tu ai spus ca n-are ce problema hardware sa fie. ce, il apuca pe tuner sa-ti sacadeze mausul? crezi ca l-a tampit caldura??
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Old 10-07-2003, 15:22   #7 (permalink)
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Heh, poate nu am fost destul de clar. Am dat exemplul cu tunerul pentru ca in DScaler am foarte usor 100% proc usage. La fel face si daca encodez ceva cu VirtualDub. Dar miscarea nu este sacadata ca la priority realtime, pur si simplu merge cu o anumita viteza si dupa asta merge mult mai incet, scroll wheelul functioneaza aiurea rau... adica nu scrolleaza continuu. Si cum poate sa fie ceva software din moment ce formatez partitia c: (unde am windowsul si program filesul). Instalez WinXP PRO SP1 from scrap si la bootare (cand apare ecranul cu loggul) unde foloseste briefly processor usage mare observ iar slowdownurile de care ziceam. Repet, nu se comporta deloc ca in jocuri de parca nu ar avea destul fpsuri. De exemplu dau de mouse in sus merge cu o viteza si dupa asta slowdowneaza rau de tot. Daca am processor usage mic merge absolut perfect.
 
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Old 10-07-2003, 18:13   #8 (permalink)
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Man .... Bonez are dreptate....
Vezi si tu ce prioritte are aplicatia care are usageul 100%
asa e normal sa faca daca are prioritate prea mare.....
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Old 10-07-2003, 18:35   #9 (permalink)
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Dar am reinstalat Windowsul, fara sa pun absolut nimic. La fel face, si am mai zis nu se comporta deloc ca atunci cand are priority mare. In fine una, peste alta am reusit sa-i dau de cap. Din greseala am observat ca placa de sunet onboard scoate mai mult bazait decat de obicei si am disablat-o din jumperi. Acum everything runs smoothly. Probabil nu avea sursa putere sau era vreun conflict cauzat de resurse desi Windowsul nu a zis nimic.
 
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Old 10-07-2003, 18:41   #10 (permalink)
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Ai incercat driveri mai noi pt placa de sunet? Daca e via onboard vezi ca sunt driveri noi la viaarena.com pt sunet (din iunie-2003).
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Old 10-07-2003, 18:58   #11 (permalink)
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Probabil placa de sunet avea vreo belea si dadea intreruperi multe si aiurea. Si cum mouse-ul functioneaza pe baza de intreruperi... probabil ca si-o lua in mana.
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Old 10-07-2003, 21:24   #12 (permalink)
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Probabil placa de sunet avea vreo belea si dadea intreruperi multe si aiurea. Si cum mouse-ul functioneaza pe baza de intreruperi...
Asta a fost o gluma, nu ?
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Ciudat este ca asa a mers luni de zile. De ce tocmai acum? In fine, all well when it ends well.
 
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Pai daca te uiti in Device Manager vei observa ca aproape toate componentele hardware functioneaza pe baza de intreruperi. Asa ca explicatia ta nu mi se pare tocmai corecta. Si mouse-ul serial si cel USB au asignate IRQ-uri cum are si PS/2-ul. De-aia am intrebat daca e o gluma ...
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Old 11-07-2003, 12:32   #16 (permalink)
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Daca te vei uita in performance monitor, vei observa ca la o miscare de mouse vei avea cam 300k de intreruperi pe secunda. Nu cred ca mai e vreun device care sa dea atatea.

Oricum nu am zis ca doar mouse-ul da intreruperi.
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Old 17-07-2003, 02:50   #17 (permalink)
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Nu, gata, deja a devenit de domeniul fantasticului. Va rog sa ma ajutati sa inteleg ce se intampla cu calculatorul meu pentru ca pe mine ma depaseste complet. Dupa ce am disablat placa de sunet onboard a mers perfect zile bune. Azi a reinceput sa se comporte la fel. Further more, am facut cateva observatii. In fereastra de preview video din iuVCR - program de captura - pot observa cum imaginea devine distorsionata atunci cand deschid ferestre sau apas click dreapta pe desktop. In acelasi timp se aude si un bazait suplimentar. Pe langa faptul ca nu mai pot sa capturez - nu mai atinge 22 fpsuri si pierde frameuri, se aude bazaitul acesta enervant - ca si cum as auzi cum "gandeste" procesorul. Am luat o fereastra si am mutat-o. Exact cand miscam mouseul se auzea bazaiala in casti. Mouseul tot asa ciudat merge acum. Pe bune, nu pot sa inteleg cum apare asa ceva dintr-o data (dupa 6 luni de functionare perfecta), disablez placa de sunet onboard - care saraca nu avea nici o vina, si peste cateva zile incepe din nou. Dupa cum am spus nu depinde de software - am reinstalat xpul fara nici un rezultat. Am disablat in bios absolut tot ce nu am nevoie, chiar am scos alimentarea de la floppy si am disablat tot ce tine de ea. Iar, fara nici un rezultat. Any theories, suggestions? I am going crazy here.
 
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Old 18-07-2003, 11:10   #18 (permalink)
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Stargate - up prieten a patit la fel , adica ii mergea nasol mouse-ul si s-a chinuit el ce s-a chinuit pana la urma era de la driverele de placa video. Cam ciudat nu?
Incearca si tu cu alte drivere de placa video cine stie poate merge
 
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Old 18-07-2003, 11:14   #19 (permalink)
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Stargate, face asa pe XP curat, fara drivere ? Sau dupa ce bagi drivere si altele ?
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Old 18-07-2003, 19:18   #20 (permalink)
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Da, asa face dupa un clean reinstall. Format C:, install WinXP SP1 si cand apare meniul de welcome unde se consuma procesor pentru efecte pac incepe mouseul sa mearga incet. Nu vad cum ar putea fi asa ceva software. Plus ca de la o vreme aud din ce in ce mai pronuntat sunetul ferestrelor care se minimalizeaza sau maximilizeaza atunci cand am lineinul unmuted - cand lucrez cu tunerul. Placa de sunet este SBLive 5.1 si sigur nu ea e problema.
 
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