Criza din Iran

[oldshooterman]

Din pacate toti musulmanii sint indoctrinati cu idei care sfideaza orice comportament rational: Girls Forced To Hysterectomy At Palestinian Hospitals

Daca sint lasati in pace, cad usor prada influentelor religioase. Totusi Gaddafi a reusit sa faca in Libia o oaza de bunastare si civilizatie care a fost facuta praf de "interventia lumii civilizate". Iranul e o tara pasnica care in ultimii 200 de ani nu a avut treaba cu nimeni. Daca ar fi lasati in pace probabil li s-ar dechide mintea cu timpul, datorita metodelor moderne de transmitere a informatiei, pentru ca iranienii nu sint complet izolati de restul lumii precum nord-coreenii.

[iohan]

Iranul in ultimii 200 de ani nu a avut treaba cu nimeni. De asta am si dat articolul cu prietenul cel mai bun al americanilor in afara de jidani (aka Sauditii), care americani, nu-i asa, sunt interesati, de drepturile omului si aduc democratia si blablablablabla. Cat timp ai petrol si ni-l dai noua si ne lasi sa ne facem baze militare la tine in tara si sa iti folosim spatiul aerian etc, poti sa faci orice la tine-n tara, nu conteaza(vezi si Mubarak sau Sadam care timp de 20-30 de ani au fost OK chit ca erau dictatori si masacrau civili, au devenit indezirabili cand s-a schimbat paradigma in politica externa a licuriciului, sa nu mai aduc aminte ce face Israel in Palestina aka crime de razboi si epurare etnica), iti dam arme si tot ce mai e nevoie, np mamen. Memoria de pestisor auriu serveste la prostirea prostilor care regurgiteaza propaganda de la TV intr-un ritm ametitor . Dubla-gandire ftw

Inca un articol interesant, in ultima parte trateaza demonizarea Iranului :http://www.voltairenet.org/The-US-Ir...old-war-in-the


Much earlier, the International Atomic Energy Association (I.A.E.A.) in the same context of a battle ground also released a grossly manipulated report. The report took information from the intelligence services of the U.S. and its allies and old information that was discarded earlier for being false by the I.A.E.A. and reinvented the very same information as “potentially” meaning that the Iranian nuclear energy program had military applications. Director-General Yukiya Amano, a former Japanese diplomat, even violated the regulations of the I.A.E.A. in composing the report and its clandestine release to a few I.A.E.A. members. Amano’s report also knowingly released a list of Iranian scientists working on the nuclear energy program, knowing that it would place their lives in danger with assassinations attempts.Washington with the collaboration of the Al-Sauds also tried to rally international support in October 2011 by claiming that Iran wanted to assassinate the Saudi envoy to Washington. After changing the outlandish narrative of the Iranian assassination attempt several times, the issue was brought to a vote at the U.N. General Assembly by Saudi Arabia and the U.S. in mid-November. One hundred and six countries voted in favour of the resolution calling for Iranian cooperation and condemning the plot. Forty countries abstained and nine voted against the resolution. The U.S. also took the opportunity to renew sanctions against Iran and present it as a threat to world peace.A month later, a cyber warfare unit of the Iranian Armed Forces overrode U.S. controls over a Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel spy drone. It was a reenactment of the 1960 U-2 spy plane incident with the Soviet Union. The Pentagon originally denied that the U.S. had violated Iranian airspace or that a drone was captured and gave several conflicting stories, but was faced to admit the truth once the Iranians unveiled the U.S. spy drone in perfect condition under Iranian custody. In the process of taking over the controls of the spy drone when it violated Iranian airspace, U.S. satellites and command and control facilities were electronically manipulated by the Iranian military. In the same month a U.S. court in New York declared that Iran and Lebanon’s Hezbollah aided Al-Qaeda in the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 (9/11) and found Iran liable for a hundred billion dollars worth of damages.

[oldshooterman]

Toti dictatorii astia au "masacrat" doar o fractiune din numarul de civili pe care i-au ucis americanii si aliatii lor in actiunile de "eliberare" si dupa.

Exemplu:
"Fallujah, Iraq - While the US military has formally withdrawn from Iraq, doctors and residents of Fallujah are blaming weapons like depleted uranium and white phosphorous used during two devastating US attacks on Fallujah in 2004 for what are being described as "catastrophic" levels of birth defects and abnormalities."

Nici soldatii trimisi sa lupte acolo nu o duc mai bine. Singurii care o duc bine sint "capii", care dirijeaza atrocitatile din fata monitoarelor, de la mare distanta... si cei care fac si vind "jucariile" folosite in toate conflictele astea.

"Terry Jemison of the Department of Veterans Affairs reported this week to the American Free Press that “Gulf-era veterans” now on medical disability since 1991 number 518,739, with only 7,035 reported wounded in Iraq in that same 14-year period.
Soldiers developing malignancies so quickly since 2003 can be expected to develop multiple cancers from independent causes.
This phenomenon has been reported by doctors in hospitals treating civilians following NATO bombing with DU in Yugoslavia in 1998-1999 and the U.S. military invasion of Iraq using DU for the first time in 1991.
Medical experts report that this phenomenon of multiple malignancies from unrelated causes has been unknown until now and is a new syndrome associated with internal DU exposure.
Just 467 U.S. personnel were wounded in the three-week Persian Gulf War in 1990-1991.
Out of 580,400 soldiers who served in Gulf War I, 11,000 are dead, and by 2000 there were 325,000 on permanent medical disability.
This astounding number of disabled vets means that a decade later, 56 percent of those soldiers who served now have medical problems."

[iohan]

Nu e buna viata in dictatura, hai sa zicem ca ok, vin si te elibereaza fratiorii americani si NATO si porumbelu' pacii, dar dupa ce ti-au distrus tara si ti-au bombardat tot si nu mai ai nimic, de la apa curenta la energie electrica (btw ce are asta a face cu Saddam, si noi am trait in dictatura si nu a trebuit sa ne bombardam orasele si infrastructura ca sa scapam de ceausescu) , incepi sa te intrebi, vere, ok, democratia ca democratia, dar de ce ne-ati trimis in evul mediu? Libia, Irak, sunt tari terminate, e misto sa te uiti la tv si sa dai din trompeta cu propaganda pro razbel si alte aberatii dar cand vezi cum traiesc amaratii aia pe acolo dupa "eliberare", well, este altceva. Iugoslavia era inaintea noastra cu 25 de ani dpdv economic si social, a trebuit sa vina NATO sa ii bombardeze-secesioneze, au trecut 11-12 de ani, si acum ce e Serbia, nexam EU, nexam nimic, abia incep sa isi revina cat de cat dupa "eliberare". Cat de orb sa fii totusi sau cat de prost-naiv? Croatia o duce bine, dar atat, au dus-o si inainte si la ei nu fost nevoie de "eliberare", nu au fost bombardati.

The War on Yugoslavia, 10 Years Later | FPIF

The 11-week bombing campaign resulted in the widespread destruction of Yugoslavia's civilian infrastructure, the killing of many hundreds of civilians, and — as a result of bombing chemical factories, the use of depleted uranium ammunition and more — caused serious environmental damage. Far more Yugoslav civilians died from NATO bombing than did Kosovar Albanian civilians from Serb forces prior to the onset of the bombing. A number of human rights groups that condemned Serbian actions in Kosovo also criticized NATO attacks that, in addition to the more immediate civilian casualties, endangered the health and safety of millions of people by disrupting water supplies, sewage treatment, and medical services.

As today, there was civil strife in a number of African countries during this period, resulting in far more deaths and refugees than Serbia's repression in Kosovo. As a result, some have questioned U.S. double standards towards intervention such as why the United States didn't intervene in far more serious humanitarian crises, particularly in Rwanda in 1994, where there clearly was an actual genocide in progress.

But a more salient question is why the United States has never been held accountable for when it has intervened — in support of the oppressors. In recent decades, the U.S. government provided military, economic, and diplomatic support of Indonesia's slaughter of hundreds of thousands of East Timorese, and of Guatemala's slaughter of many tens of thousands of its indigenous people.

While Clinton tried to justify the war by declaring that repression and ethnic cleansing must not be allowed to happen "on NATO's doorstep," he was not only quite willing to allow for comparable repression to take place within NATO itself, but actively supported it: During the 1990s, Turkey's denial of the Kurds' linguistic and cultural rights, rejection of their demands of autonomy, destruction of thousands of villages, killing of thousands of civilians and forced removal of hundreds of thousands bore striking resemblance to Serbia's repression in Kosovo. Yet the Clinton administration, with bipartisan congressional support, continued to arm the Turkish military and defended its repression.


Dubla masura rules. De aia zic, nu mai fiti naivi, nu mai generalizati, faptul ca eu si altii va prezentam o alta latura a realitatii nu inseamna ca facem "propaganda", propaganda este cand declari cu bale la gura ca tot ce face US este kosher si daca ai vreo critica de adus esti, horribile dictu, comunist. E o confuzie in capsoarele tinereilor din ziua de azi, ceva de speriat. Carne de tun scrie pe voi in viitor. Omu' nou and all that crap.

[oldshooterman]

Sper ca nu ai de gind sa te "sinucizi", precum asta: SNL Writer Who Committed Suicide (?) Was a Strong Critic of Israel and Fan of What Really Happened

"Bodolai also expressed “an inability to cope with the doom-and-gloom vision of the future he saw for the coming year, including war with Iran and fascism and martial law in America.”"

[leopardul]

ah ce urasc link-urile.
nu-mi dau seama daca ma contrazici sau nu.
rezumat sau nu te mai obosii sa postezi.

Te contraziceam. Nu am ce rezumat sa fac, acolo scrie negru pe alb ce rol au contractors in Iraq si cat de multi sunt.
Te inteleg ca urasti link-urile, nici mie nu-mi plac. Dar imi place sa discut cu argumente. Degeaba te contrazic eu daca nu aduc dovezi. In acel link erau dovezi.

[motorzbh]

Iranul in ultimii 200 de ani nu a avut treaba cu nimeni.

sa inteleg ca asta e politica oficiala a partidului? razboaiele cu rusia evident nu se pun ca de contrazic politica oficiala a partidului comunist.
dar ai uitat tanker war. iranul a atacat petroliere sovietice chiar. chiar se pot mandri ca au lovit cel mai mare petrolier construit. evident fiind imens nu era greu de lovit.
deci iranul a tras in navele altora care nu erau in conflict cu Iranul. doar pentru ca treceau prin golf. evident s-au potolit dupa ce US le-a scufundat navele.

Toti dictatorii astia au "masacrat" doar o fractiune din numarul de civili pe care i-au ucis americanii si aliatii lor in actiunile de "eliberare" si dupa.

nu zau? de ce nu vii mosule cu date.
repet komeini a omorat 500 000 de iranieni deoarece nu a acceptat oferta lui sallam. dupa 6 ani de razboi a acceptat exact aceleasi conditii oferite de sallam. diferenta ca a trimis 500 000 de tineri sa demineze campurile de mine irakiene cu picioarele.

Nu e buna viata in dictatura, hai sa zicem ca ok, vin si te elibereaza fratiorii americani si NATO si porumbelu' pacii, dar dupa ce ti-au distrus tara si ti-au bombardat tot si nu mai ai nimic, de la apa curenta la energie electrica (btw ce are asta a face cu Saddam, si noi am trait in dictatura si nu a trebuit sa ne bombardam orasele si infrastructura ca sa scapam de ceausescu) , incepi sa te intrebi, vere, ok, democratia ca democratia, dar de ce ne-ati trimis in evul mediu?

poate nu erai nascut pe vremea aia si nu stii:
noi am scapat singuri de ceasca. au murit 1000 de oameni ca prostul se credea tatuc, dar pana la urma a sfarsit ca prostul impuscat in fata unui wc .

Libia, Irak, sunt tari terminate, e misto sa te uiti la tv si sa dai din trompeta cu propaganda pro razbel si alte aberatii dar cand vezi cum traiesc amaratii aia pe acolo dupa "eliberare", well, este altceva. Iugoslavia era inaintea noastra cu 25 de ani dpdv economic si social, a trebuit sa vina NATO sa ii bombardeze-secesioneze, au trecut 11-12 de ani, si acum ce e Serbia, nexam EU, nexam nimic, abia incep sa isi revina cat de cat dupa "eliberare". Cat de orb sa fii totusi sau cat de prost-naiv? Croatia o duce bine, dar atat, au dus-o si inainte si la ei nu fost nevoie de "eliberare", nu au fost bombardati.

iugoslavia era un produs artificial. poate daca ar fi fost destepti si ar fi procedat ca cehia si slovacia poate nu s-ar fi ajuns acolo. dar evident epurarea etnica de acolo nu a aexistat e doar o conspiratie iudeo franco-masonica.

Dubla masura rules. De aia zic, nu mai fiti naivi, nu mai generalizati, faptul ca eu si altii va prezentam o alta latura a realitatii nu inseamna ca facem "propaganda", propaganda este cand declari cu bale la gura ca tot ce face US este kosher si daca ai vreo critica de adus esti, horribile dictu, comunist. E o confuzie in capsoarele tinereilor din ziua de azi, ceva de speriat. Carne de tun scrie pe voi in viitor. Omu' nou and all that crap.

mosule ma ierti tu prezinti propaganda legionara antisemita. pistolaru e cu propaganda sovietica. dar la amandoi va excitati la gandul ca poate o racheta iraniana loveste un portavion american. chiar daca pentru asta trebuie sa moara zeci de mii de iranieni.
latura realitatii pe care incercati sa o prezentati exista doar in imaginatia handlerilor vostri legionari sau comunisti.
toate argumentele voastre sunt false si bazate pe bloguri si declaratii ale unor frustrati care inca plang dupa stalin, kim ir sen, mate in drum si codreanu.
baieti ati pierdut comunismul si nationalismul de doi lei au pierdut de mult.
dar suntem o tara libera si puteti sa tineti cu cine vreti.

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Te contraziceam. Nu am ce rezumat sa fac, acolo scrie negru pe alb ce rol au contractors in Iraq si cat de multi sunt.
Te inteleg ca urasti link-urile, nici mie nu-mi plac. Dar imi place sa discut cu argumente. Degeaba te contrazic eu daca nu aduc dovezi. In acel link erau dovezi.

wow ai dovezi, cool.
deci ai dovezi ca sunt soldati americani inca ( adica astazi) in Iraq?
ma indoiesc.
vii cu un document de acum 3 ani si vrei sa te cred?
de ce nu vii cu blogul lui alexei alexeiovici petrovici, politruc al FSB?
get lost.

[leopardul]

Nu am spus ca exista soldati americani. Era vorba de "contractors". Tu le-ai negat existenta, eu ti-am dat un document care explica pe larg conceptul de contractor si diferentele fata de fortele armate.

Daca vrei ceva recent: As soldiers leave, U.S. diplomats face huge Iraq challenge | Reuters Link Reuters, ok?

[ixtl]

noi am scapat singuri de ceasca. au murit 1000 de oameni ca prostul se credea tatuc, dar pana la urma a sfarsit ca prostul impuscat in fata unui wc .

Au murit 1000 de oameni pentru ca era nevoie de zgomot, de un show de sunet si lumini si, fireste, de victime; iar ceasca a mierlit-o pentru ca asa trebuia. Ceilalti, care ar fi meritat impuscati* cu el la un loc, au dus-o si o duc bine mersi mai departe, catre noi si noi culmi ale civilizatiei si devoltarii capitaliste.

There. I fix'd it.

noi am scapat singuri de ceasca

Mi-a placut. Am ras. Bomba serii.

* - nu neaparat. Niste ani buni de parnaie n-ar fi stricat.

[droopy_ro]

Mi-a placut. Am ras. Bomba serii.

+1
Ma uimeste ca exista inca oameni care cred ca noi romani am facut revolutia, aveam doar 6 ani dar inca imi aduc aminte de ABCul razboiului psihologic cu care s-a facut revolutia, teroristii care nu au existat, apa otravita care nu a fost otravita etc. Psy Ops asta e termenul care defineste Revolutia din '89 in Romania. Asta si incompetenta ofiterilor si a subofiterilor din glorioasa armata romana care au reusit sa omoare atatia copii la Otopeni si in alte locuri si care acum traiesc bine mersi cu pensia si restul de beneficii

described as "catastrophic" levels of birth defects and abnormalities."

Ma lasi cu propaganda asta, daca e sa ne luam dupa astia care scriu asa ceva din cauza Cernobalului ar trebui sa avem toti 3 maini si 4 ochi iar cei de prin Ucraina si Belarus sa fie snorci, mutanti, zombi, Monolith si alte chestii de vezi prin Stalker.

[oldshooterman]

Se pot face si lucruri bune:

"Tehran, Iran (CNN) -- Iran on Saturday welcomed the rescue of 13 Iranian sailors by a U.S. Navy ship, calling it a "humanitarian act."

"According to the Navy, a helicopter from the destroyer USS Kidd spotted a suspect pirate boat alongside the Iranian vessel on Thursday. The destroyer is part of the USS John Stennis Strike Group, which moved into the Arabian Sea from the Persian Gulf last week."

""Rescuing Iranian sailors by the U.S. was a humanitarian act and we welcome such acts," he said. "The Iranian Navy also engages in such rescue operations. It is the responsibility of all nations to rescue nationals from other countries from pirates."(A spokesman for Iran's Foreign Ministry)

[motorzbh]

Nu am spus ca exista soldati americani. Era vorba de "contractors". Tu le-ai negat existenta, eu ti-am dat un document care explica pe larg conceptul de contractor si diferentele fata de fortele armate.

deci daca stiai sa citesti vedeai ca am spus ca nu exista soldati americani. ca bazele militare sunt populate cu soldati.
daca vreti sa sustineti ca sunt mercenari ok, no problem. dar mercenari e o chestie, soldati e alta. ma indoiesc ca mercanarii au Apache sau F 15 in dotare.

+1
Ma uimeste ca exista inca oameni care cred ca noi romani am facut revolutia, aveam doar 6 ani dar inca imi aduc aminte de ABCul razboiului psihologic cu care s-a facut revolutia, teroristii care nu au existat, apa otravita care nu a fost otravita etc. Psy Ops asta e termenul care defineste Revolutia din '89 in Romania. Asta si incompetenta ofiterilor si a subofiterilor din glorioasa armata romana care au reusit sa omoare atatia copii la Otopeni si in alte locuri si care acum traiesc bine mersi cu pensia si restul de beneficii

wow , de la 6 ani erai analist politic si militar. tare.
repet cine nu a participat direct la evenimente sa binevoiasca sa-si tina gura.
si prin participat direct inteleg sa fi fost cu arma in mana ( de o parte sau alta a baricadei) nu ca a urmarit toate emisiunile la televizor.

""Rescuing Iranian sailors by the U.S. was a humanitarian act and we welcome such acts," he said. "The Iranian Navy also engages in such rescue operations. It is the responsibility of all nations to rescue nationals from other countries from pirates."(A spokesman for Iran's Foreign Ministry)

nu erau pirati mai, erau commando-uri CIA deghizati in somalezi ca sa dea bine pe sticla.

[droopy_ro]

wow , de la 6 ani erai analist politic si militar. tare.
repet cine nu a participat direct la evenimente sa binevoiasca sa-si tina gura.
si prin participat direct inteleg sa fi fost cu arma in mana ( de o parte sau alta a baricadei) nu ca a urmarit toate emisiunile la televizor.

Lumineaza-ne tu cum a fost, e de datoria ta.

dar mercenari e o chestie,

Contractors nu sunt mercenari.

[motorzbh]

Lumineaza-ne tu cum a fost, e de datoria ta.

in nici un caz nu au fost commando-uri CIA, KGB sau libieni.
vedeti prea multe conspiratii pe metru patrat. pana la urma explicatia cea mai simpla e cea adevarata. pur si simplu lumea a iesit in strada.

Contractors nu sunt mercenari.

nici soldati nu sunt.
repet o baza militara presupune prezenta soldatilor. dar cand se da cu copy/paste din propaganda comunista e greu sa si citesti ce scriu aia acolo.
nu e prima data cand apar aberatii pe aici copiate de maestrii propagandei comuniste.
exemplu. din gandirea lui oldshooterman.

Si daca nu e asa? Libyan gov't forces claim victory in Misrata


fals, armata colonelului era facuta praf in Zlitan da ei cucerisera cica Misrata peste noapte cand nu reusisera sa o cuceresca in 3 luni de asediu, din care jumate rebelii luptasera singuri fara NATO.
NATO's dogs flee from Libyan patriots as Misurata liberated


marele analist continua sa creada in propaganda de doi lei.

"E vorba ca majoritatea populatiei din Tripoli e de partea lui Gaddafi. Daca nu e asa, treaba s-ar putea termina relativ repede. "


ha ha ha , intr-adevar s-a terminat foarte repede, peste noapte chiar. rebelii aveau pregatita insurectia in Tripoli . mii de oameni au iesit in strada cand rebelii au ajuns la portile orasului ca sa-l dea jos pe colonel. a fost suficient de repede?

si "la piece de la resistance "
Libya / Breaking News: 21/08/2011 - rebel advances on Tripoli a fake! Disinformation campaign, RT


HA HA HA , MEGA UBER FAIL. REBELII AU CUCERIT TRIPOLI IN MAI PUTIN DE 24 DE ORE.

tare dezinformarea trebuie sa recunosc. Libya: Gaddafi forces claim to have captured British 'mercenaries'

precum se vede toate stirile "alternative prezentate de batranul pistolar s-au dovedit a fi false si incercari grosolane de a dezinforma opinia publica.
da omul inca mai crede in utopia comunista.

[droopy_ro]

in nici un caz nu au fost commando-uri CIA, KGB sau libieni.
vedeti prea multe conspiratii pe metru patrat. pana la urma explicatia cea mai simpla e cea adevarata. pur si simplu lumea a iesit in strada.

Ma lasi, explica tu de ce generalii se panicau ca apareau pe radar 100 de contacte, cine au fost "teroristii" si de ce era panica generala ca apa e otravita sau mai stiu eu ce deastea si acum imi aduc aminte de un documentar de pe TVR2 unde arata o sala cu ofiteri de erau in haos, nu stiau ce e cu elicoptere pe radar sau era nea Vasile electronistul iesit in piata de a bruiat radarele si a instalat un guvern (care nu era militar ce coincidenta).
M-am convins si de tine esti un iohan dar la polul opus, violat de comunisti fata de iohan pe care l-au violat evreii ... nu te obosi sa-mi dai reply ca esti pe lista de ignore de acum in colo. Pace.

[motorzbh]

Ma lasi, explica tu de ce generalii se panicau ca apareau pe radar 100 de contacte, cine au fost "teroristii" si de ce era panica generala ca apa e otravita sau mai stiu eu ce deastea si acum imi aduc aminte de un documentar de pe TVR2 unde arata o sala cu ofiteri de erau in haos ca nu stiau ce e cu elicoptere pe radar sau era nea Gheorghe electronistul iesit in piata de a bruita radarele.
M-am convins si de tine esti un iohan dar la polul opus, violat de comunisti iar pe iohan l-au violat evreii ... nu te obosi sa-mi dai reply ca esti pe lista de ignore de acum in colo. Pace.

mosule au fost 3 partide la putere si nici unul nu a venit cu o dovada noua.
au fost tabere in randul noii puteri , au fost raspandaci, au fost unii care au faacut pe ei de frica si au tras in tot ce misca.
dar de aici si sa vii cu teorii fanteziste de genul :20 000 de turisti rusi , commandouri libiene etc.
si eu am auzit teorii de genul asta dar nici una nu se bazeaza pe un atom de dovada.
pana la urma dupa vreo doi ani cand am reusit sa-mi rezolv problema cu arma, am vorbit cu un procuror si ala mi-a aratat niste poze cu vreo 5-6 necunoscuti. aia erau fara identitate si nu erau nici blonzi nici negrii ci pur si simplu aratau ca orice roman pe strada. eraau imbracati obisnuit, unul singur era parca in costum.
cine erau ? nu stiu politia nu a aflat nici pana astazi. da asta nu inseamna ca erau rusi ,libieni ci pur si simplu unii fara familie .
dar nu ma indoiesc ca vor venii fanii conspiratiilor si vor inventa sniperii KGB.

[EmyG]

Nu suntem "putin" offtopic ?

Dupa cum "bate vantul" zic ca daca vor bloca sau afecta exporturile de petrol ale Iranului se va ajunge la cartea unui conflict deschis .
Suspectez ca SUA exact asta isi doresc dar se roaga sa faca Iranul primul pas - respectiv sa inchida stramtoarea .

Pentru noi cel mai nasol va fi pretul petrolului cifra de app 200USD/baril nu e probabil exagerata prea mult ...nu vreau sa stiu cat va fi benzina la pompa ...

[mother jew]

DEBKAfile, Political Analysis, Espionage, Terrorism, Security

http://www.debka.com/article/21629/

[motorzbh]

Dupa cum "bate vantul" zic ca daca vor bloca sau afecta exporturile de petrol ale Iranului se va ajunge la cartea unui conflict deschis .
Suspectez ca SUA exact asta isi doresc dar se roaga sa faca Iranul primul pas - respectiv sa inchida stramtoarea .

iranul are trei optiuni:
1. sa lase balta cu programul nuclear.
2. sa blocheze stramtoarea.
3.sa atace navele americane.
deci are o iesire fara victime .
ce se roaga US este irelevant. daca US vrea razboi ar trimite maine portavioanele in stramtoare. cum nu o sa o faca ...

Pentru noi cel mai nasol va fi pretul petrolului cifra de app 200USD/baril nu e probabil exagerata prea mult ...nu vreau sa stiu cat va fi benzina la pompa ...

de ce nu 1000 $ barilul? daca tot scoti din burta baga cifre cat mai mari.
poate e cazul sa bagam masini electrice pe strazi.

[iohan]

A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

In esenta:

It is a fact that in 2000, Iraq signed an agreement to sell its oil, all its oil, in Euros. Iran was contemplating doing the same at around the same time. The Iraq decision involved the large French bank PNB-Paribas. France was not one of those who supported the war and Washington led a hate campaign vilifying the French. The worry was that a switch from dollar to Euro settlement might gain momentum. Any major move away from dollar settlement would cripple the US.

In January of this year the India Times reported that India was talking to Iran about moving out of dollar settlements so as to be able to buy Iranian oil despite a US embargo. India said it was discussing settling in Gold. Remember, India has just signed a settlement agreement with China to use the Yuan.A very good summary of recent news by ZeroHedge suggests I may have been on the right track. And recently the pace has picked up.
China and Russia have been trading directly in their own currencies and using them both interchangeably for settlement for over a year.

Then on 26th December 2011 Bloomberg reported,

Japan and China will promote direct trading of the yen and yuan without using dollars and will encourage the development of a market for companies involved in the exchanges, the Japanese government said.

China is Japan’s largest trading partner. Japan will also start in 2012 buying Chinese debts. How much Dollar debt will either of them buy? They have both already been buying less.
Two days later (Dec.28th) the Iranain news service reported,

Iran and China on Wednesday signed two agreements on expansion of trade ties and joint investments.

These trades too will not be settled in Dollars or in Euros.

Iran and Russia replaced the U.S. dollar with their national currencies in bilateral trade, Iran’s state-run Fars news agency reported, citing Seyed Reza Sajjadi, the Iranian ambassador in Moscow.

So now almost none of Iran’s oil will be traded in Dollars.
India and Japan have also recently agreed a 15 billion dollar currency exchange. This will tie their two currencies closer together.



Prin urmare, situatia tensionata actuala din Hormuz are de a face cu sanctiunile si bombardeaua nucleara la fel de mult cat are de a face cu miscarile Iran and friends de a inlocui dolarul ca moneda de baza in tranzactiile cu petrol/etc. Si standofful este atat cu Iran cat mai ales cu China, in aceeasi masura, daca stai sa te gandesti, US le testeaza nervii galbiorilor si soliditatea intelegerilor financiare cu Iranul(si nu numai). Vedem forta militara declansata contra unei forte economice. Si cred ca US vor pierde. Si in functie de ce si cum vor pierde, vom vedea cum dolarul va pierde enorm din puterea sa de moneda de rezerva globala pe masura ce natiuni cu pondere foarte mare in global GDP vor renunta la dolar in favoarea altor monede. Asa pica toate imperiile, economic, cu moneda incepe totul.

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According to this report, Iran swiftly countered planed US sanctions against its Central Bank yesterday by announcingthat it will no longer accept the US Dollar as payment for its oil shipments to India, Japan and China, and further announced that bilateral trade between itself and Russia will, also, break from the US Dollar for settlement in favor of the Iranian Rial and Russian Rubles.

Sure to enrage the Obama regime, this report continues, was that the proposal to switch to the Ruble and the Rial was raised by President Medvedev at a meeting with his Iranian counterpart, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in Astana, Kazakhstan, of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

Though Iran had previously announced in 2008 that it had stopped trading its oil for US Dollars (Ahmadinejad called the depreciating US Dollar a “worthless piece of paper”) India, Japan and China were made exempt due to their large holdings of American currency and fears of wreaking further chaos on the global economic collapse that had just begun.


Important to note, this report reminds us, is that a similar move by Iraq’s former leader Saddam Hussein in not accepting US Dollars for oil in 2000 brought about the invasion of his country by the Americans and their European allies resulting in his eventual execution and causing the vast wealth of Iraqi ]oil and gas fields to be turned over to the Western oil giants.

Likewise, this report says, former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi earned the same fate as Hussein after he, in the months leading up to the US-NATO military attack on his country, called on African and Muslim nations to join together to create a new currency that would rival the US Dollar and Euro and saying that Libya would only sell oil and other resources around the world only for gold dinars.

Most oil sales throughout the world are denominated in US Dollars, and according to proponents of the petrodollar warfare hypothesis, because most countries rely on oil imports, they are forced to maintain large stockpiles of Dollars in order to continue imports.

This creates a consistent demand for US Dollars and upwards pressure on its value, regardless of economic conditions in the United States. This in turn allows the US government to gain revenues through seignorage and by issuing bonds at lower interest rates than they otherwise would be able to. As a result the US government can run higher budget deficits at a more sustainable level than can most other countries.

But, this report reminds us, the current budget deficit of the US has now reached the staggering amount of $15.23 trillion which is the size of its entire economy, and with the Federal Reserve preparing to being another round of massive printing this coming summer the loss of Iran’s oil customers needing US Dollars could very well signal the collapse of the entire American economy.