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    China - o noua putere mondiala

    Ce parere aveti, va influenta China in urmatoarele decenii soarta lumii, astfel incat sa ne afecteze si pe noi, europenii ? Ma refer atat din punct de vedere politic, cat si economic si militar.

    Voi posta aici diverse stiri care sa mentina thread-ul updatat la zi in legatura cu evolutia "Dragonului Rosu".

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    e clar.... vin "chinejii" peste noi... yellow 4ever !!!!!!
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    Economic, deja guverneaza o parte din planeta.
    Made in China ... Made in SouthKorea, finished in China (acumulatorul de la telefonul meu ).. etc.
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    Din fericire nu au nici o sansa sa cucereasca lumea.
    Pentru ca exista atitea arme atomice in lume ca la prima incercare a lor murim cu totii de pe planeta.
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    Exista mai multe metode sa cucereasca lumea decat iti imaginezi tu

    Later edit: separat de metodele alea :P

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    Antrax, gripa aviara, tornade, what's next ?

    Ce parere aveti de: Dictatorship as Economic Advantage: China's Ascent

    IMO, economia Chinei nu ar fi crescut daca nu era vestul capitalist. Dictatura a fost eficienta pentru transformarea populatiei in niste slugi eficiente care sa creeze marfa ieftina, insa daca nu avea cine sa o cumpere, degeaba.

    China e un parazit al lumii occidentale si ar fi cazul sa se ia masuri. Evident ca nu militare, ar fi o prostie, insa poporul poate fi sedus de modul de viata occidental
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    Quote Originally Posted by SF
    Ce parere aveti, va influenta China in urmatoarele decenii soarta lumii, astfel incat sa ne afecteze si pe noi, europenii ? Ma refer atat din punct de vedere politic, cat si economic si militar.

    Voi posta aici diverse stiri care sa mentina thread-ul updatat la zi in legatura cu evolutia "Dragonului Rosu".
    Scuze, dar China DEJA ne afecteaza pe noi, europenii. De ani buni, nu mai gasesti o camasa ca lumea, si kenvelo vinde rahaturi XXXXL care abia imi ajung pana la brau... toate ciurucurile electrice/electronice care ti se desfac in maini... pt. cine stie, Huawei si ZTE vand echipament de telecom piratat la pret de dumping, spre fericirea managerilor si dezastrul inginerilor... pretul petrolului creste fiindca in China incep sa arunce bicicletele si sa foloseasca masini, basca mamutii industriali.

    Multi se bucura prosteste, crezand ca noua putere mondiala va fi mai buna decat actuala; poate dupa ce cuceresc economic lumea, ca firmele lor au resurse nelimitate fiind de stat, iese un nou Mao si retraim iar bucuriile comunismului... noroc ca-mi tin carnetul de UTC inca... O stire era ca intr-un oras chinez un mahar cu bani a snopit in bataie si omorat un amarat pe strada ca i-a zgariat masina, si populatia a iesit pe strazi cerand revenirea la principiile socialiste...

    Asa ca... ce decenii?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SF
    China e un parazit al lumii occidentale si ar fi cazul sa se ia masuri.
    Asa e, se folosesc de forta de munca ieftina din USA, Japonia si Germania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan
    Asa e, se folosesc de forta de munca ieftina din USA, Japonia si Germania.
    Cind te bazezi doar pe debuseuri externe exista intotdeauna riscul ca respectivii sa-ti taie macaroana printr-o simpla modificare a regimului vamal. In special cind esti si suspect de practici de dumping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revan21
    e clar.... vin "chinejii" peste noi... yellow 4ever !!!!!!
    nu o sa vina chinejii peste noi/voi, o sa vina indienii.
    Chinezii au fost destul de destepti ca sa-si tina in frau populatia si natalitatea, dar indienii nu fac nimic in privinta asta, prin 2050 or sa fie aproape 2 miliarde de oameni.

    Si la noi lucrurile o sa fie mult mai rele daca nu se face ceva, populatia Romaniei o sa fie sub 16 milioane, iar numarul de romani gen beget o sa fie depasit de o anumita minoritate (nu mai zic nimic ca iarasi sunt numit rasist si-mi iau ban )

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    http://rense.com/general67/joint2.htm

    Russia, China Begin First Joint Military Exercises
    By Lindsay Beck
    8-18-5

    BEIJING (Reuters) - China and Russia began their first joint military exercises on Thursday aimed at boosting cooperation between the former adversaries and sending a message to the United States about their growing influence.

    Eight days of war games between the giant neighbours, who share a 4,300-km (2,700-mile) border, also present a commercial opportunity for Russia, China's biggest supplier of arms and weapons technology, to flog its wares, analysts say.

    "The main target is the United States. Both sides want to improve their position for bargaining in terms of security, politics and economics," said Jin Canrong, a professor of international relations at the People's University of China.

    Both countries say "Peace Mission 2005", which involves 10,000 troops and army, navy and air force exercises, is aimed at building ties between their militaries and analysts say it is not targeted at any third country.

    "Military cooperation is linked with political and economic cooperation as part of a bigger package," said Robert Karniol, Asia-Pacific editor for Jane's Defence Weekly. "It's not an adversarial posture."

    But with the drills also helping to "strengthen the capability of the two armed forces in jointly striking international terrorism, extremism and separatism", according to China's Xinhua news agency, they are likely to be viewed with concern by others in the region.

    The word separatism will give pause for thought to the residents of Taiwan, the self-governed island China claims as its own and which it has vowed must return to its rule -- by force if necessary.

    Once Cold War foes, ties between Beijing and Moscow have been growing closer, in part due to China's efforts to tap into Russian energy resources to feed its booming economy. The two are also players in six-party talks on North Korea's nuclear crisis, reflecting shared security interests.

    STABILITY

    Russia and China also see common ground in Central Asia, both in trying to ensure political turmoil in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan does not spill into their borders and in checking the U.S. presence in the region.

    After last year's "Orange Revolution" in Ukraine, when demonstrators propelled a pro-Western government to power following street protests against rigged elections, Russia took the initiative to upgrade the scale of the exercise with China, Jin said.

    In July, the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO), a regional security forum grouping China and Russia with the Central Asian states, told U.S.-led troops to fix a date for their departure from military bases in the region.

    That, along with the fact observers from other SCO countries will be at the war games, is further fuelling theories they are intended to send a message to Washington.

    "This is above all an assault on the uni-polar world that has so suited Washington since the end of the Cold War," Russian daily Nezavismaya gazeta said.

    The United States said the exercises supported a shared goal of regional stability, but added a word of caution.

    "We would hope that anything that they do is not something that would be disruptive to the current atmosphere in the region," U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.

    The exercises are taking place in the Russian Pacific near Vladivostok and in the Chinese coastal province of Shandong and run through August 25.

    With China gradually overhauling its military, streamlining troop numbers and buying high-tech weapons platforms from abroad, the war games are more likely to result in a shopping spree than any aggressive posturing.

    Analysts say rather than cause alarm, the exercises should also be seen as making both militaries behave with more transparency and in line with international norms.

    "I think they finally figured out it might be useful to learn something from other people," Karniol said of China.


    Is China building aircraft carrier?
    Chinese shipyard workers have been repairing a badly damaged ex-Russian aircraft carrier and have repainted it with the country's military markings, raising the question of whether China is about to field its first carrier, reports Jane's Defense.

    Images show workers at the Chinese Dalian Shipyard have repainted the ex-Russian Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier Varyag with the markings and color scheme of the People's Liberation Army-Navy.
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    Cind te bazezi doar pe debuseuri externe exista intotdeauna riscul ca respectivii sa-ti taie macaroana printr-o simpla modificare a regimului vamal. In special cind esti si suspect de practici de dumping
    nu si cand esti in omc. se chinuie unele state ceva de groaza sa aduca unele actiuni ale chinei(si ale altor state in curs de dezvoltare) in fata comisiei de investigare a tacticilor comerciale neloile. si nu mereu sunt incununate de succes eforturile lor.

    va influenta China in urmatoarele decenii soarta lumii
    pai daca va fi cea mai mare putere economica si militara.. tu ce crezi?
    in prezent influenteaza si inca semnificativ soarta regiunii din care face parte.

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    Nu va fi cea mai mare putere economică şi militară. Aceea va rămâne SUA. Iar China şi SUA sunt legate printr-un cordon ombilical.
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    greu de crezut ca va ramane cea mai mare putere economica. si nu pentru ca nu ar evolua bine sau nu ar avea perspective incurajatoare. cel putin pe termen scurt chiar are. insa in toata perioada interbelica ponderea pe care a reprezentat-o in comertul mondial a scazut continuu. de pe la 27% cat era imediat dupa razboi pana la in jur de 13% in prezent. in tot acest timp chici ce s-a intamplat cu ponderea asiei? s-a dublat ajungand pe la 26%. sigur.. e vorba de intregul continent insa china e o parte semnificativa din acele procente. si va continua sa reprezinte din ce in ce mai mult. asta nu neaparat pentru ca celelalte state din regiune ar stagna ci pur si simplu pentru ca potentialul de crestere al chinei e mult mai mare. hell.. citeam pe undeva ca anul asta sau anul trecut a depasit japonia ca valoare a relatiilor comerciale. in prezent japonia sta pe loc sau creste cu <1% anual in timp ce china scoate intre 9 si 10% cu franele trase ca sa n-o ia razna inflatia.
    asa ca, dintr-o felie mondiala care s-a dublat ca valoare in fiecare deceniu din ultimii 30 de ani, statul care in scurt timp va detine cea mai mare parte nu are cum fi decat china. sigur.. daca mentine ritmul indracit de crestere.

    in ceea ce priveste puterea militara.. cred ca va ajunge la un nivel in care sa aiba destule focoase nucleare incat sa nu mai poata fi constransa de nimeni pe cale armata. exacat ca si rusia si sua. din acest punct de vedere n-o sa fie diferente. ca probabil nu va avea aceeasi atitudine expansionista ca a sua.. e alta discutie... insa cand ai cateva milioane de soldati..

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    China depinde enorm de mult de economia americană. Când stejarul te hrăneşte n-ai cum să creşti mai mare decât el.
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    China e un parazit al lumii occidentale si ar fi cazul sa se ia masuri. Evident ca nu militare, ar fi o prostie, insa poporul poate fi sedus de modul de viata occidental
    bre da` ce perla ai mai scos eu zic ca ai cam avea nevoie de muuulti bani ca sa iti deschida ochii.. sau sa ti-i inchida definitiv.
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    Kaiapo .. sper ca postul tau avea o coerenta a ideilor, adica vroiai sa spui ceva prin el, nu ? Eventual o opinie argumentata, nu doar ceva din burta ?

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    La ora actuala in Relatiile Internationale sistemul este de tip unipolar in care singura super putere este SUA .... mi se pare greu de crezut ca se va ajunge in viitorul apropiat la un sistem Bipolar cum a fost in timpul razboiului rece SUA-URSS .. la ora actuala China este tinuta sub control si sunt sigur ca si-au luat destul de multe masuri de precautie americanii incat sa ramana singura super putere pentru inca multa vreme de acum incolo .... or avea chinezii nu stiu cate milioane de soldati insa vorba aia MULTI DA PROSTI ( nu au tehnologie militara foarte dezvoltata , cel putin raportata la USA ).... citisem pe undeva ca filmul THE STEALTH nu este nici pe departe un SF si ca la ora actuala SUA detine tehnologia de a controla avioanele de vanatoare printr-o inteligenta artificiala proprie ( nu am inteles chiar exact la ce se referea si nici filmul nu l-am vazut - cine l-a vazut poate ne da mai multe detalii) oricum .... cand or sa aibe americanii 10 avioane d-astea fac pari ca o sa faca praf cateva milioane de soldati chinezi in doar cateva ore

    In fine , la ora actuala si nici in viitorul destul de apropiat/departat nu exista o alta superputere care sa se compare cu SUA ...este pur si simplu cu cateva decenii peste oricare armata ... dar , dupa cum toate lucrurile din viata sunt relative , nu se poate stii niciodata ce va fi si cum va fi ...la fel cum a fost o prabusire a URSS la fel poate sa fie si a SUA ... eu oricum nu sunt in masura si nici nu am informatiile necesare pentru a preveni o astfel de prabusire .... decat poate printr-o teorie paradigmatica de genul - un imperiu atunci cand incearca sa cucereasca mai mult decat poate administra se prabuseste inevitabil si pot da exemplu clar ROMA .... dar, in cazul de fatza nu vorbim de un imperiu propriu-zis , ci mai degraba de o hegemonie .... astfel ca este greu sa vorbim cand se va prabusi SUA ...

    iar cat priveste partea economica a CHINEI , deja stiam ca UE a impus un embargou asupra CHINEI , dar mai multe nu prea pot sa zic .... in fine, nu va speriati ca va fi vreun razboi in perioada urmatoare, dupa cum a spus si Basescu odata -" Relatiile Internationale la ora actuala sunt facute si armatele umii asezate in asa fel incat la ora actuala nu poate exista o conflagratie mondiala , decat la nivel local - irak, fasia gaza , iugoslavia, etc. "

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    deja stiam ca UE a impus un embargou asupra CHINEI
    asa... la modul general?

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