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Old 14-06-2009, 16:31   #2061 (permalink)
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Ai ceva informatii despre Hammer cumva ? Sunt curios ce planuri de dezvoltare ulterioara au cei care l-au cumparat .Au declarat ceva ? Il muta cu totul in China ?

Doar vor sa copieze actualele masini si gata ? Sau vor sa foloseasca brandul si sub umbrela lui sa dezvolte si sa faca si alte modele in viitor ?
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I don't know whether the deal will be finally made.

My 12-year old daughter have told me that she hates people driving Hummer because it consumes so much gasoline, 8 miles per gallon (~3.5 km/liter). Several parents of her classmates drive Hummer.

I was talking to a friend of mine two days ago and I said China should not invest in this kind of cars. He told me that Hummer may find some special market in China. He saw an extended Hummer carrying big advertisement boards and slowly running around in a Chinese city . It is more economic and more stunning for advertizing with the extended Hummer than renting a billboard on a busy expressway, which cost between US$ 100,000 and US$150,000 in China.

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Old 15-06-2009, 15:11   #2063 (permalink)
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You have no idea what Chinese are eating now. Most likely, Chinese living in the cities have more varieties of foods than in Romania. Please see a few casual videos of supermarkets in China.


This is a supermarket in a 2nd class city

This is a supermarket in a 4th class Chinese city
This is EXACTLY what I am worried about. Can we afford to have 2 billion people eating decently, as cynical as that may sound?

How's this for a kindergarden song?

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Plenty of food for them and none for me
It's from the Lady and the Tramp, I believe

Oh, and China is not a true and blue exporter of fertilizers. it exports processed fertilizers, it still gets the raw materials from elswhere. I guess the Party's propaganda is paying off better than they anticipated
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Old 15-06-2009, 15:29   #2064 (permalink)
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Oh, and China is not a true and blue exporter of fertilizers. it exports processed fertilizers, it still gets the raw materials from elswhere. I guess the Party's propaganda is paying off better than they anticipated
Please check for reliable data before you write. See Page 121 of a US governmnet report:

http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pu...2009-phosp.pdf

You are really over-worried. Romania has great agriculture resources. If it runs well, Romania should be a big agricultural product exporter in Europe. Romania's population density is a quarter of Netherland or Belgium, and a third of Germany.

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Old 15-06-2009, 15:41   #2065 (permalink)
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This is EXACTLY what I am worried about. Can we afford to have 2 billion people eating decently, as cynical as that may sound?
Sa fiu la fel de cinic as spune "de ce meritam sa mancam decent noi restul de 2 miliarde mai mult decat ei? "

Din pacate suntem pasageri prin Cosmos pe aceeasi bucata de roca si problemele unora sunt implicit ale tuturor. Desigur , jumatate din planeta ar putea sa o elimine pe cealalta , dar la ce arme atomice exista mult mai sigura e varianta ca in procesul de eliminare s-ar elimina ambele jumatati in acelasi timp.

Probabil ca alea 2 miliarde de chinezi ar putea fi sustinuti sa manance decent de catre planeta , insa nu vad cum ar putea sa detina fiecare de exemplu o masina . Sau benzina la masina.
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Old 15-06-2009, 16:43   #2066 (permalink)
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Sa fiu la fel de cinic as spune "de ce meritam sa mancam decent noi restul de 2 miliarde mai mult decat ei? "....
Ai impresia ca lumea e impartita in doua (2 miliarde de chinezi si alte 2 in rest/in tari mai dezvoltate)? 7-2=5! Ce faci cu restul de 3 miliarde din care majoritatea sint in India, Pakistan, etc..., tari care nu au reglementata problema natalitatii? Din cite stiu, China e singura tara care are partial reglementata problema natalitatii si un regim capabil sa tina in friu o hoarda asa de mare de oameni.
 
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Old 15-06-2009, 17:42   #2067 (permalink)
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Sa fiu la fel de cinic as spune "de ce meritam sa mancam decent noi restul de 2 miliarde mai mult decat ei? "
Pentru ca bunicii mei, ai lui Jean, ai lui Hanz, ai lui Juan nu au facut cate 20 de copii, asta chiar neavand prezervative & co; nu cred ca aveau probleme de fertilitate, ci de constiinta - "cu ce ii cresc", alea, alea. Chiar daca n-aveau ei hartie igienica si China da . Sau si astia au fost decimati de holera, europeni murdari ce sunt, a, Ablium?

In plus, "noi" nu suntem 2 miliarde. Puradei halbi cred ca sunt cam un 2/5 din nr. de chinezi . Nu, nu sunt rasist, dar sunt unele chestii care iti sar in ochi.

oldshooterman, indienii si pakistanezii aia nu mananca deocamdata carnita si pestisor si laptic, dar Ablium ne-a aratat ca ai sai conationali da, eu zic sa ne facem griji de problemele imediate, cum ar fi un numar mai mare de cetateni decat ai Indiei papand mai bine decat vesticii, si in special chestii ce cer un mare consum de energie, adica NU_orez.
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Pentru ca bunicii mei, ai lui Jean, ai lui Hanz, ai lui Juan nu au facut cate 20 de copii, asta chiar neavand prezervative & co; nu cred ca aveau probleme de fertilitate, ci de constiinta - "cu ce ii cresc", alea, alea. Chiar daca n-aveau ei hartie igienica si China da . Sau si astia au fost decimati de holera, europeni murdari ce sunt, a, Ablium?
As the matter of fact, Europe experienced the fastest population growth rate during 1750 -1900 in the world. That does not even include massive immigration to "new" continents during the 18th and 19th century.

World population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bunicii tai n-au facut 20 de copii, dar bunicii al lui John, al lui Johan, al lui Juan, al lui Jean, al lui Ivan au facut 20 de copii.

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Chinezii sint constiinciosi si muncitori. Cu exceptia unui numar limitat de "elemente negative" (care exista in orice societate) ei sint renumiti ca nu creaza probleme oriunde se duc. Nu e problema restului lumii ce maninca si ce fac ei atit timp cit nu iau prin forta de la altii. De ce nu te preocupa faptul ca americanii consuma mai mullt (dintr-o serie de resurse) decit tot restul lumii dezvoltate la un loc? (de exemplu) Iar India si Pakistanul nu sint de neglijat, au arme nucleare si incet incet incep si ei sa vrea tot mai multe "bunatati". Si nu trebuie uitati barbarii "capitalisti" din America de Sud care distrug in masa cele mai mari paduri de pe planeta...
 
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Old 15-06-2009, 19:41   #2070 (permalink)
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Devine plictisitor acest cult al Chinei. Am fost in China si totul la tarabe era copiat si falsificat astfel incat pozele cu frumusetile acestei tari sunt distruse din cauza unui card fals.

In rest cat eu admiram China, ceilalti isi umpeau containerele cu toate produsele de doi bani. Produse , fara garantie care in doi ani au ajuns la gunoi.

Diferenta este intre produsele sub firme consacrate si prostii care falsifica tot ce este pe piata. Si nu le iese , oricat incearca.

E.g : replica Hasbro a lui Optimus, Megatron, etc, etc, facute in China sub un control sever care rezista ani de zile si replicile de proasta calitate.

Cel putin cardul SD ( Sandisk ) de 1 Gb care avea 256 este de neuitat.
 
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I really doubt if you have ever been to China.

People from the whole world, from rich Americans to poor Africans, are using Chinese products.

In China, there are plenty of big electronic stores selling high quality products with one year or even two year warranty. Of course, if you buy things from a street vendor at significantly lower price than the market, you will likely get faked products and you should expect it.

I have a Lenovo notebook computer and it has never had a problem for two year. My daughter's HP notebook computer has been repaired twice in less than two years. Of course both computers are made in China.

I bought a faked Omega watch at 30 US$ from a street vendor of Shanghai. It probably has cubic zirconia gems to look like diamond, but the glass is genuine sapphire glass (Sapphire has hardness of 9.5, only diamond having hardness 10 can scratch sapphire). The watch works well so far. After a friend of mine who wore a genuine $3000 Omega watch saw my watch, he told me that my watch is one grade higher than his watch. I just laughed to death.

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Old 15-06-2009, 21:41   #2072 (permalink)
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Chinezarii e una..sunt si piete normale acolo.Si cu supermarketuri e adevarata faza.Ma pot usura pe iulius,polus din Cluj sau ditamai mallurile din Bucuresti.Am vazut acolo malluri uriase,cat 3-4 d;ale noastre la un loc.

Si daca vrei sa cumperi ceva de calitate.Mergi la firma,sunt si acolo reprezentate destule,cu marfa de calitate.Normal ca daca mergi la tarabe,ca la noi atunci nu te mira ca vei gasi memory de 2GB care are 128mega...

Si la noi sunt destule"chinezarii" facute de ai nostri,te duci in piata prin tarabe,vezi cum gasesti si acolo destule lucruri dubioase.
Nu stiu ce e cu acest obicei de a cumpara de la tarabe,insa dupa saptamani bune de utilizat,adidasii cumparati din china la 100Yuan,adica 50 ron inca si acuma ma tin.
Nu sunt stricati,nu au ceva suspect.Desigur nu am cumparat de la tarabe ci din magazin.

Daca vrei neaparat sa iei teapa,nu te mai duce in China la tarabe,avem noi destule.Revenind,vrei calitate,exista magazine poate prea multe din care sa alegi.Orice ce am cumparat din China merge fara probleme.Singura exceptie fiind acea copie de n96.Trebuia sa aduc la un fanatic o replica,era ca fanul insa aia intentionat am luat de la taraba..
 
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nu cred ca aveau probleme de fertilitate, ci de constiinta - "cu ce ii cresc", alea, alea. Chiar daca n-aveau ei hartie igienica si China da . Sau si astia au fost decimati de holera, europeni murdari ce sunt, a, Ablium?
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In the view of many Europeans today, Chinese products are "chinezerie", cheap and low quality. Most Europeans, especially those uneducated Europeans, do not know that Chinese products were considered luxury products in Europe before 19th century. The motivation of initial European maritime exploration was searching for alternative route to orient to trade spice with India and Southeast Asia and luxury products with China after Ottoman Empire blocked land route. The luxury products of China included porcelain and silk. According to the book “Power and Plenty” by Ronald Findlay and Kevin O’Rourke, a large amount of silver that European colonists got from newly discovered America flowed to China. Chinese were quite smart then, they made thing from clay to exchange for Europeans’ silver.

In fact, English word “china” also means porcelain. Porcelain production has long history in China. Possessing porcelain made in China was a symbol of social status in Europe before 19th century. This wiki page displays porcelain made in China in different periods.Chinese ceramics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Europeans had tried hard to find a process that can reproduce Chinese porcelain since 16th century but with little success until 18th century when German and British successfully imitated first Chinese porcelain. Porcelain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Various Chinese porcelains are collected in almost all major European museums today.

This is a good video about porcelain history and European fondness for porcelain.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8215679897191764061

The antique Chinese porcelains are often sold at high price in auction today.

Download “Power and Plenty” by Ronald Findlay and Kevin O’Rourke if you are interested in reading world economy and trade history in last 1000 years.
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In the view of many Europeans today, Chinese products are "chinezerie", cheap and low quality.
Nu e vina europenilor ca s-a produs aceasta modificare de perceptie. De la produsele de lux(matase, portelan) de acum cateva secole s-a ajuns la inundarea pietelor cu marfa de proasta calitate. Nici in China lucrurile nu stau mai bine, ultima veste de acolo a fost asta: O clădire de 13 etaje din Shanghai, China, a căzut pur şi simplu pe o parte, ca un copac!
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Nu e vina europenilor ca s-a produs aceasta modificare de perceptie. De la produsele de lux(matase, portelan) de acum cateva secole s-a ajuns la inundarea pietelor cu marfa de proasta calitate. Nici in China lucrurile nu stau mai bine, ultima veste de acolo a fost asta: O clădire de 13 etaje din Shanghai, China, a căzut pur şi simplu pe o parte, ca un copac!
It is not Europeans' fault for the perception change. Chinese themselves are mostly responsible for the change. China screwed up in last two centuries.

China has built hundreds of thousands of high-rise buildings in last twenty years, including many world tallest buildings. I don't think that a couple of accidents of construction projects can be generalized to poor quality of all constructions. See collapse of Paris airport. Construction accident can happen in other part of the world too.

BBC NEWS | Europe | Paris airport roof collapse kills five

See how many high-rise buildings in Shanghai. I have never heard of any other building that has collapsed before. The number of high-rise buildings in Shanghai probably is larger than that in whole Europe.


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Comparing China with Europe is ridiculous, even for you, ablium!

It's not the crap products, not the collapsing buildings and not the porcelain (didn't want to use the word 'china') that is wrong with China. When shall you stop beating around the bush, ablium? Your cheap propaganda can only make us sick, and for those who are blind about China, it's useless anyway, they're all yours anyhow. So what's the point?

Just in case you did not notice, it's POLITICS we are debating on this sub-forum. So no one really cares about how many high rise buildings are in Shanghai.


And don't tell me, these (below) were jut criminals and outlaws, they deserved to die, didn't they?


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Old 28-06-2009, 10:00   #2079 (permalink)
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Majoritatea nu cunosc acea parte a istoriei.Vorbind cu aproape oricine cine are sub 25 ani,tot poti intreba de"tank man" ca habar nu au cine e ala sau ce reprezinta.
Au incercat sa rada acea parte a istoriei,ma rog amintiri neplacute,avem si noi d'alea din 89 si cu mineriada aia suspecta.In any case nu multi stiu despre asta,si btw acolo netul chiar e filtrat.Doar de test am scris in google "tank man" si macar o poza nu am vazut cu omul ala.
 
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Da mai, dar macar la noi e toata lumea de acord ca aia care-au luptat la revolutie au fost niste eroi. Si toata lumea e de acord ca_comunismul e bullshit! Cei cativa nostalgici deraiati nu se pun, ca ei ar fi nostalgici si dupa Genghis Han daca ar putea...
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