China - o noua putere mondiala

[ablium]

Originally Posted by Ivan

Cat timp exista cerere nu au cum sa dispara.

Ivan, You are right. As long as there are demand and profit, counterfeit and anti-counterfeit will as be an endless battle.


MSN video about China
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/default.cdn...splaymode/1157

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/default.cdn...splaymode/1157

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/default.cdn...splaymode/1157

Investment Opportunity in China, a good lecture by a distinguished professor from Princeton University (one of the best universities in America, where Albert Einstein worked). Watch this video only if you have knowledge in economy, finance, and stock trade. Otherwise, it is a boring video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...369670&q=China

[ablium]

Shanghai Today. Listen to the joke in the show. The TV anchor said that Shanghai was her favorite city because she could find counterfeited handbag. A friend of mine told me that he accompanied a multimillion-paid CEO of a multi-billion American company to buy counterfeited products in Shanghai (for her privacy, I will not reveal the company name here. It is a fortune 500 company) . Isn’t it a joke? So not only Romanian people buy counterfeit products, even rich people do too when opportunity is provided.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KskDG1NeF68

The tunnel under the river in Shanghai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMGuYE1v6Ow

Video for 2008 Olympics bid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7FHTgIm3X4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tVMhBgqUM4

Welcome to Beijing, for tourism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPXPXK0jYCU

Welcome to China, for tourism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzRKJNwNy9Y

ABC report on Rise of China (The video quality is quite poor)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jDbdtiJRVg

[valh]

Si sa vezi ce frumos va fi ,cand se va incepe contrafacerea produselor contrafacute.

[ladyatrix]

is not only about fake vuitton bags...sometimes is more than that:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_325223.htm

[ablium]

Originally Posted by ladyatrix

is not only about fake vuitton bags...sometimes is more than that:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_325223.htm

Ladyatrix, you are right. There are several cases of faked milk, wine, and drug that cause human death. Those responsible people were sentenced to death penalty.

[ladyatrix]

good! for the same crime, in romania they will take like 5 years and will be freed after 2 for good behavior in prison.

[ablium]

China will test the world most advanced fusion reactor on 15th of this month. If it succeeds, it will be a big news. Chinese physicists boast that the continuous discharge time will be over 1000 seconds, which will set a new world record. The Chinese physicists also claim that the reactor will remain as the world most advanced within next 10 years.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/inte...?id=1082792006

Fusion energy can fundamentally solve the energy problem for mankind.

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India and China Race to the Top
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2153928

The democratic India will eventually win the economic race. Is it a visionary thinking or wishful thinking (because India's political system is more like western political system)? Is it true that India is an innovator and China is just a copycat? These questions will be clearly answered in next 20 years.

The video said that "India can beat China by combining cheap labor with design skill, innovation not imitation." and "Indians are convinced that they have huge edge over China." Hey, there is a difference between ambition and fact. If Indians read following article by Steve Sailer , they will either have to dismiss it as crap or get scared.
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/060423_lynn.htm


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ABC Report on China Rise (Part II)
http://www.thebscorner.com/archives/..._part3_wmv.htm

[SF]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_4932409.htm
Chinese athletes beat the previous world record held by a negro.

And who said asian people are poorly phisically equipped?

[Made in China]

Fara sa stiu de aceasta discutie mi-am creat o noua identitate. Cel putin eu sunt pregatit China este pe val, dar va mai curge multa apa pe Yangtze si pe Huang He adunate, până când vor prelua in mod oficial "conducerea" lumii.

Oricum, titlul threadului nu este bun. China a fost intotdeauna o mare putere, nu este nicidecum nouă.

[ablium]

Originally Posted by SF

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_4932409.htm
Chinese athletes beat the previous world record held by a negro.

And who said asian people are poorly phisically equipped?

I said so and I won't say otherwise until China can beat German or Italian soccer team, or American basketball team, or American football team. Chinese are only good in sports that require techniques but less physical strength

China will compete with US for top medal winner in 2008 Beijing Olympics 24 years after China won its first gold medal ever in Los Angeles Olympics in 1984. China was second in wining gold medals in Athens Olympics two years ago. See this article
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/15220670.htm

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Car with "Europa" brand made in China? LOL
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=71085

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Pictures of 100 Chinese cities. I even have never heard the names of some of the cities. Ladyatrix, I know that you don't like me to post pictures of skyscraper cities. I promise that this is my last post of skyscraper pictures. Warning: China has hundreds of millions of people living at less than $1 per day, so don't be fooled by the pictures in the following link.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1&page=1&pp=20

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Contributia noastra la democratizarea Chinei (In limba romana)
http://www.hotnews.ro/articol_53404-...rin-Ionita.htm

"Practic, China, cu cei 1,2 miliarde de locuitori ai ei, produce pe an cam tot atat cat natiuni de 60 de milioane ca Franta sau Marea Britanie."

Only fool will believe this! An ignorant writer who made a big story from a few meaningless number.

[Zarzavat]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/romanian/news/s...hina_sua.shtml

Pentagonul afirmase că măsurile luate de China în vederea modernizării marinei ar putea dezechilibra balanţa de putere în Asia.

Ambasadorul Chinei la Naţiunile Unite din Geneva a declarat într-un interviu la BBC că americanii nu au dreptul să ţină predici Chinei. Şi a spus acest lucru într-un limbaj foarte simplu.

El s-a întrebat retoric : "E adevărat că voi aveţi aproape 50% din bugetul cheltuielilor militare mondiale? China are o populaţie de cinci-şase ori mai mare decât a Statelor Unite. Aşa că de ce e criticată China? E timpul să o lăsaţi baltă şi să închideţi gura", a mai declarat oficialul chinez.

[low_level_superhero]

Originally Posted by ablium

Contributia noastra la democratizarea Chinei (In limba romana)
http://www.hotnews.ro/articol_53404-...rin-Ionita.htm

"Practic, China, cu cei 1,2 miliarde de locuitori ai ei, produce pe an cam tot atat cat natiuni de 60 de milioane ca Franta sau Marea Britanie."

Only fool will believe this! An ignorant writer who made a big story from a few meaningless number.

So, are you saying the statement is incorrect? Are you saying that China is producing more than UK, France of Germnay?

[ablium]

Originally Posted by low_level_superhero

So, are you saying the statement is incorrect? Are you saying that China is producing more than UK, France of Germnay?

In terms of PPP, China produces more than Germany, France and UK combined.

If you still doubt, just take a look at following indices
Electricity Production (More than Germany, France, UK, and Italy combined, about the same size of EU electricity production)
Oil Consumption (about the same as Germany, France, and UK combined )
Steel Production (35% of world production this year)
Copper Production (about 30% of world production)
Aluminum Production (about 30% of world production)
Coal Production (about 30% of world production)
Cement Production (about 45% of world production)
Textile Production (Some estimate about 50% of world production)
Auto (World third largest)
Construction (about 40% world contruction projects)
Fertilizer (more than EU production)
Number of cell phone subscribers ( about the same size as total EU population)
Luxury products consumption (world third largest after Japan and US)

Not to mention agriculture and food products, grain, meat, fish, fruits, vegetable, wine, beer, and tobacco are all in the top of the world. Similarly the home appliances such as TV, refrigerators, washing machines, airconditioners, microwave ovens, DVD players, cameras etc. and office appliances such as copiers and PCs are all in the top of the world.

I guess that if the buildings in the following link move to UK or France, the income from rent will be more than GDP of France or UK.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...4&page=1&pp=20

[ladyatrix]

ablium, u promised no more skyscraper pics (no one requested but still) should I take it as the way a chinese respects his/her promise?

china population: 1,313,973,713 (July 2006 est.)
europe 728,428,176 (an estimative number for 2010)
is good that u have more than EU production, u should have twice EU production.
speaking about population, what do u think about <one child chinese law>? what do u think about ilegal abortion of female fetuses? are they remnants of a primitive society?

ablium, singura ai promis ca nu mai pui linkuri cu skyscrapers. ar trebui sa o iau ca fiind modul in care un chinez isi respecta promisiunea?
populatia chinei e dubla fata de pop europei, asa ca gasesc normal sa aiba productii duble.
care e parerea ta despre legea chineza a copilului unic? ce crezi despre avortarea foetusilor feminini? sunt acestea racilele unei societati primitive?

[ablium]

Ladyatrix, the purpose of the above link is not for showing skyscrapers but for illustrating how inaccurate the GDP using exchange rate is for describing productivity. What I want to show is the real estate cost difference between western countries and China for equivalent houses, apartments, or office buildings. The housing cost in western countries is at least five times more than in China. China have built a lot of high-rise buildings because China has high population density but not because China is wealthy. I prefer to live in a two-story American or European house with a backyard and a small swimming pool.

Europe is much richer than China, period. At per capital level, China is a poor developing country. However, saying that China produces the same amount as UK or France is simply untrue. The GDP of France or UK using exchange rate is close to that of China because service sector is the major part of GDP in western countries and an equivalent service cost is much higher in western countries than in China. For example, American hospitals charge my insurance company a couple of hundreds of dollars for simple work such as measuring body temperature, blood pressure, and weight by a nurse and five-minute consulting with a doctor. The same medical care in China costs less than 10 dollars. The minimum starting price for a taxi is about six dollars in US. I can go a half of town with less than two dollars in China. The ticket for 30 km travel with high-speed maglev train in Shanghai is only about six dollars. A haircut for male is about $20 in US and I pay less than $2 for equivalent or better service in China. I pay about $50 for cable TV service per month in US but cable TV service is less than $5 per month in China. A DVD cost is about one dollar in China but between 15 - 30 dollars in US. Anyway, the price difference is huge between China and western countries. That is why PPP (purchasing power parity ) is better for measuring the economy of a nation. Exchange rate generally reflects trade balance. Because China has high trade surplus now, it is likely that Chinese currency will appreciate in the future. In fact, it has already made some appreciation in last a few weeks.


One child policy is against wills of many people in China. Forced abortion is immoral and cruel. However if China does not adopt this policy to solve the over-population problem, the nature will do the job by war, disease, or famine. The government has no choice but to adopt this rational albeit cruel policy to control the population. Selectively aborting female fetuses is illegal in China and doctors who identify the gender of fetuses are punished with criminal charge. Many people, particularly in rural area, preferring boy than girl simply reflects the socio-economic underdevelopment in China. Yes, it is remnants of a primitive society. My daughter is my only child and I am perfectly happy.

[Rholes]

china este o putere mondiala dar este un stat totalitarist caruia nu ii pasa de cetatenii sai, si care arata bine la nivel de zgarie nori dar jos la baza saracia si foamea este o problema mult mai reala si mai urgenta.
china este un balon de sapun care mai are un pic si se va sparge, mai sunt cativa ani si dupa aia vor trebui sa arate cifrele cu adevarat, ea produce cat UE sau mai mult dar cu ce costuri?

nu poti lauda un stat care ascunde cursul real al monedei si care il tine in frau prin masinatiuni economice la nivel de banca centrala, tinand un curs artificial, si care blocheaza in mod intentionat nivelul de trai pt ca atunci nu ar mai fi atractiva pt marile companii si corporatii.

daca e sa ne amintim de un exemplu recent erau economiile statelor asiatice mai mici care atinsesera cifre de dezvoltare uluitoare si care cand au cazut nu s-au mai putut ridica decat foarte greu si cu reforme profunde care au aratat ca o economie puternica se construieste pe modelul statelor europene nu prin tunuri, china rezista datorita marimii sale si regimului dar cat vor mai putea mentine o economie de asemenea anvergura si productie la costurile astea?
costurile aditionale si care sunt ascunse sunt uriase la un stat urias si daca se intampla ceva care sparge circuitul nimeni si nimic nu va opri caderea, dar mai e un pic pana bula se va sparge si asta din interior.

toti cei care admira china sa se uite bine ce admira si de ce admira, pt ca mie mi se pare un teribilism de prost gust ca si in cazul che guevara si ca in cazul celor care poarta tricouri cu cccp, in cazul ultimilor e ca si cum evreii ar purta tricouri cu hitler.

[ablium]

Lenin predicted that capitalism would collapse. Ironically, capitalism did not collapse but the communism created by him collapsed.

People have been saying that China will collapse for over two decades. I myself once believed that Chinese communist regime would collapse twenty years ago. To the surprise of most people, China did not collapse and even grew much stronger.

[Zarzavat]

iata ca incep sa se vada roadele cresterii economice "eficiente"

Ploi acide, inundaţii şi uragane răvăşesc Asia

O treime din teritoriul Chinei e afectat de ploi acide, provocate de noxele unei industrii din ce în ce mai poluante. După ani de secetă, statele deşertificate din India sunt acoperite de ape şi noroi. La un an de la trecerea mortală a Katrinei, Statele Unite riscă să fie lovite, cu aceeaşi putere, de uraganul Ernesto. Sunt doar câteva din fenomenele extreme care ameninţă Asia şi America de Nord în aceste zile. Ploile acide provocate de bioxidul de sulf produs de fabricile şi centralele electrice au afectat o treime din terenurile din China, reprezentând o ameninţare pentru siguranţa alimentară, a anunţat, zilele trecute, Agenţia China Nouă, citând un raport parlamentar pe probleme de mediu. Mai mult de jumătate din cele 696 de oraşe şi districte monitorizate au fost afectate, în unele cazuri ploile toxice căzând zilnic.
"Emisiile tot mai mari de bioxid de sulf înseamnă că o treime din teritoriul Chinei a fost afectat de ploi acide, ceea ce reprezintă o ameninţare majoră pentru sol şi siguranţa alimentară", a declarat vicepreşedintele comisiei de specialitate, citat de China Nouă. Emisiile de bioxid de sulf au crescut cu 27 la sută în perioada 2000-2005, ajungând la 25 de milioane de tone şi transformând China în cel mai mare poluator.

nu a ajuns china prima economie mondiala, dar a ajuns cel mai mare poluator... de urmarit reportajul "Global Dimming - Tragic End of Humanity - BBC Documentary (2005).avi". s-ar putea ca din cauza poluarii accentuate din zona (si India este un mare poluator) sa fie afectat musonul, si 3 miliarde de oameni sa ramana fara ploaie, deci fara agricultura, deci fara hrana. ceea ce nu ar fi rau deloc. si asa suntem multi oameni pe pamant. ne putem lipsi de o parte bine ca e vb de ei si nu de noi.

http://www.adevarulonline.ro/2006-08...ia_196213.html

[low_level_superhero]

Ablium, your statement (about who is producing more) is correct as long as you take into account only primary needs. When you will compare an industry with 35% from services to one that has 75-80% from services, do not be surprised of your biased conclusions.

LE: Scuze Ivan, sar'm'na sefu'

Ablium, ce spui tu acolo este corect atat timp cat excluzi din discutie produsele care servesc altceva decat nevoile primare. Sa nu fi surprinsa daca ai rezultate... surprinzatoare cand compari productia de bunuri dintr-o industrie cu 35% din GDP din servicii si una cu 75-80% din servicii.

[Ivan]

barney, vad ca nu mai incap inca 10% pe langa ce ai tu acolo. In consecinta te rog sa ne bucuri ochii si cu o traducere in romana.

Zarzavat, iar citesti ziare de-alea? Par example, uraganul Ernesto nici macar nu mai este uragan, a scazut in intensitate. Sigur, "exista posibilitatea sa recapete din putere".