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Old 29-08-2006, 09:33   #481 (permalink)
 
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Zarzavat, iar citesti ziare de-alea? Par example, uraganul Ernesto nici macar nu mai este uragan, a scazut in intensitate. Sigur, "exista posibilitatea sa recapete din putere".
Ernesto a fost uragan de nivelul 3 la un moment dat... nu stim ora la care a fost scris articolul. acum a trecut de Cuba si intra in zona de apa f calda => va creste din nou in intensitate. in plus, ma refeream la partea despre China economia "minune". Adevarul e ca zona Indo-China este super poluata. Pretul cresterii economice se va vedea cat de curand in zona. sa speram ca vor afecta musonul, nu vor mai avea agricultura, si ne vor parasi cu miliardele pana la urma e spre binele planetei, deci sa le uram dezvoltare economica exponentiala. GO GO GO !!!
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Old 29-08-2006, 10:46   #482 (permalink)
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There is a TV series about environment issues on going in American PBS TV station. Probably, you can also watch it from cable TV in Romania. There is a program called "China: From Red to Green" in the series. You can view the video clip of the program from youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-RtiZSuFJ0&mode=related

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Old 29-08-2006, 10:50   #483 (permalink)
 
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propaganda comunista... mai bine uita-te la TV sa vezi ce se intampla in realitate.
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Old 29-08-2006, 11:09   #484 (permalink)
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Un film din America este propaganda comunista?
 
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Old 29-08-2006, 11:17   #485 (permalink)
 
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glumeam cu propaganda... cat despre filmele din america se fac la comanda. bani sa fie, ca se face orice film despre orice subiect, prezentat in lumina dorita de sponsor

dar cum spuneam... uita-te la TV si vezi ce se intampla in realitate. bla-bla-urile sunt frumoase, dar sunt contrazise de ce se intampla ACUM, in China.
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Old 29-08-2006, 11:25   #486 (permalink)
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Daca intelegi limba engleza, filmul a zis ca China are multe probleme environmentale.
 
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Old 29-08-2006, 11:26   #487 (permalink)
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What Zarzavat wants to say is that you should let the TV do all the thinking for you; it's a mighty complicated process! \o/
 
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Old 29-08-2006, 11:33   #488 (permalink)
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Zarzavat se simte multa satisfactie in postul tau... bravo, mai putine guri de-ale lor mai mult cascaval pentru noi. Simplu si la obiect. Mai avem putin si dam si petreceri pe teme meteorologice...
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Old 29-08-2006, 11:34   #489 (permalink)
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dudes, easy there.

Ablium, nu este nici un secret ca RP China are nevoie de revolutia industriala, nu poate sari acest prag, iar Europa + US sunt fericite sa renunte la activitatile poluante. Singura speranta ar fi sa poposeasca la acest prag foarte putin si sa se creeze cat mai repede un balans intre nevoile materiale, primare si strategia pe termen lung.

Ablium, there is no secret that China needs to go through this stage and in the meantime US and EU are more then happy to give away the heavy industries. I do hope that China will surpass this stage quick enough not to do irreparable damage. For now the basic and immediate needs are to be met, but hopefully it will not be long before a balance between those and a long-term strategy will be established.
 
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Daca intelegi limba engleza, filmul a zis ca China are multe probleme environmentale.
pai asta am spus si eu. si ti-am sugerat sa deschizi TV daca nu crezi. cat despre efortul chinei de a-si rezolva problema poluarii mediului inconjurator... bla bla bla. concret, poluarea creste. end of story.

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What Zarzavat wants to say is that you should let the TV do all the thinking for you; it's a mighty complicated process! \o/
aha, deci daca tu VEZI la TV un oras devastat de un uragan, nu crezi, incepi sa te gandesti daca a fost intr-adevar, daca nu sunt imagini prelucrate cu ajutorul PC, conspiratii etc... de fapt uraganul Katrina care a devastat New Orleans a fost o inventie, a fost film facut la Hollywood...
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Old 29-08-2006, 11:41   #491 (permalink)
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Zarzavat, diferenta dintre uraganul Katrina si alte uragane e ca Katrina a trecut prin New Orleans si altele nu.

Am fost prea subtil pt tine?
 
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dap, esti cel mai subtil... eu cred ca tu si cand te uiti in oglinda, te intrebi daca chiar esti tu, si nu cumva e o conspiratie diabolica care vrea sa te faca sa crezi ca esti naspa
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Old 29-08-2006, 12:06   #493 (permalink)
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Totusi, China comparativ cu SUA are standarde ale sanatatii produselor. Check out:

China rejects U.S. powdered milk imports as being too toxic for Chinese
http://giggle247.blogspot.com/2006/0...k-imports.html

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Old 29-08-2006, 12:11   #494 (permalink)
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SF, si te mai plangi ca se ia lumea de tine...

Marar, nu poti nega ca un cadru nu este intotdeauna reprezentativ pentru intreaga situatie. Cand mai si vorbim de documentare, adica selectie, montaj, narare, etc. deja gradul subiectivismului depaseste bunul simt.

De exemplu sunt idioti in California care isi reconstruiesc in fiecare an casa pe acelasi loc in ciuda caderilor de pamant: "we love the view from up here"... ffs, poti spune ca a fost un dezastru ca au picat 10 din tre casele retarzilor astora?
 
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Old 29-08-2006, 12:21   #495 (permalink)
 
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Marar, nu poti nega ca un cadru nu este intotdeauna reprezentativ pentru intreaga situatie. Cand mai si vorbim de documentare, adica selectie, montaj, narare, etc. deja gradul subiectivismului depaseste bunul simt.
de acord... linkul don'shoarei ablium era un documentar. nivelul poluarii in china e masurabil/vizibil. efectele poluarii sunt poate exagerate, prin prezentarea exclusiva a extremelor fenomenelor... ramane de vazut oricum.

SF... nu te 'nerva stii ca esti idolu' meu
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Old 29-08-2006, 12:22   #496 (permalink)
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low_level_superhero, vrei sa zici ca n-am dreptate? aka vrei sa zici ca poluarea a inventat uraganele?

Apelul la cazul New Orleans e o aiureala, iar efectele poluarii din China sunt ploile acide, nu ce zice Leuştean.
 
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Old 29-08-2006, 12:25   #497 (permalink)
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SF, habar n-am despre asta. Vreau sa zic ca nu e nici unul dintre voi prost. Va puteti intelege foarte bine cu argumente nu cu "cosulistule"/"fiule"/flameuri de doi lei.
 
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Old 29-08-2006, 12:27   #498 (permalink)
 
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nu ai inteles nimic (dupa cum banuiam). nu am facut nicio legatura intre poluare si uragane. eu doar am zis doar ca o stire clara la TV, e o stire clara. ti-am dat exemplul cu New Orleans pentru ca era un caz clar in care nu era nimic de interpretat/gandit. S-A INTAMPLAT. punct. dar tu nu urmaresti discutia, urmaresti sa polemizezi aiurea.
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Old 29-08-2006, 12:29   #499 (permalink)
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Ablium, there is no secret that China needs to go through this stage and in the meantime US and EU are more then happy to give away the heavy industries. I do hope that China will surpass this stage quick enough not to do irreparable damage. For now the basic and immediate needs are to be met, but hopefully it will not be long before a balance between those and a long-term strategy will be established.
You are right. EU and US are post-industrial society and China is just a developing country with fast-pace of industrialization. Don't expect that such industrialization and urbanization process will end soon. Even though China's construction is equivalent to building two New York Cities each year now, it requires another twenty years before this construction process can end because a half billion of people are waiting to move to cities.

There is no reason to believe that China does not want green because Chinese are the primary victims of the polluted environment. At this moment, China needs burning a lot of coal to support the energy need for its industrialization and provide basic need for its people. Before more hydroelectric dams and nuclear fission reactors are built, and hopefully nuclear fusion reactor technology become available, coal will continue to be the primary energy source for China. However, currently, the world largest carbon dioxide emission polluter is USA, but not China. USA consumes three times more oil than China.
 
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Hidorelectricitatea = mai naspa pentru mediu decat orice alta energie.

Nu de cladiri are nevoie China pentru a trece peste industrializare, ci de consum intern si PIB/cap din ce in ce mai mare.

Ablium, the hydroelectricity is the most damaging one to the enviornment.

I am not concerned about actual contruction of buildings or whatever, but about the growth of GDP per capita and internal consumption.
 
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