China - o noua putere mondiala - Page 34

~~low_level_superhero~~ · 21-09-2006, 22:56

Ablium, I've got no frikin clue. I don't live in the museum.

Ivan, deci sunt permise posturile consecutive la distanta mai mare de 2 ore?

ablium · 22-09-2006, 17:05

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Originally Posted by low_level_superhero

Ablium, I've got no frikin clue. I don't live in the museum.

Paris La Defense looks quite modern.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wn92...elated&search=

Paris La Defense Project 2015
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDR5FTCQ71E

But I don't like the rectangular gate in this video. It looks ugly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6-A9...elated&search=

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You have seen the video of current Chongqing, a inland city that is unknown in other countries, take a look at the construction project of this city.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=381842&page=1

Within 10 years, all these master plans will become reality.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=377275&page=1

~~low_level_superhero~~ · 22-09-2006, 18:01

Ablium, I didn't say I've never been there, I said I don't live there and that I didn't counted the rings

ablium · 24-09-2006, 00:20

China Builds a Better Internet
- based on IPv6, which allows everthing on the earth to have an IP address.

http://www.cio.com/archive/071506/china.html?page=1

danezia · 05-10-2006, 00:56

Hello ablium and... nice to find this thread alive and kicking.

The discussion has advanced a lot since my last post? so I will wait some time before posting something really "on topic".

Anyway, guess I will be seeing with my own eyes the face of the "new China" because>>> Beijing 2008? here I come!

I just hope that Peking (it felt irresistible to use the old western name of the city) will not become more expensive than Copenhagen in two years time.

ablium · 06-10-2006, 20:35

Danezia,
Welcome back.
Beijing has always been my most favorite Chinese city. It was capital of Yuan Dynasty (Mongol Empire, thirteen century), Ming Dynasty, and Qing Dynasty. Beijing has rich ancient culture. Olympics 2008 will be a good opportunity for Beijing to show its long and rich history as well as its modernity achieved after Chinese reform started a quarter century ago. I believe that the world athletes, journalists, and tourists will be impressed by this unique city.

Beijing is one of best planed cities and roads are oriented very regularly. Several key tourist sites include:

Chinese Great Wall (it is located about one-hour-drive-time-on-expressway away from Beijing.),

Forbidden City - the world largest royal palace and 600+ years old,

Summer Palace – the world largest former royal garden,

Tiananmen Square – the world largest city square,

Numerous history and art museums,

Many beautiful lakes and parks,

Many good restaurants with Chinese cuisine and foreigh cuisines,

Many futuristic architecture including National Theater and TV Center (some of them are designed by European architects),

Skyscrapers (Beijing skyscrapers are quite impressive although Beijing does not have as many tall skyscrapers as several other Chinese cities.), and

Gold Resources Shopping Mall (It is currently the world second largest. It has 1000+ stores and 0.6 million square meters of floor areas. The world largest shopping mall is currently in southern China. Golden Resources Shopping Mall will be the world fourth largest shopping mall during the Olympics time because two other larger Chinese shopping malls will be built in 2008.)

Beijing is a culture and academic center of China, with over 100 of universities and institutes.

Transportation: Beijing has very developed subway systems, six rings of expressways, and arguably the world largest airport terminal at the time of Olympics.

Beijing sometime gets sandstorms (which could be the consequence of ecological decay) and I hope that it will not occur during Olympics. I also hope that the air quality will improve during Olympics.

See pictures from this thread for ancient and modern Beijing
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...t=372676&pp=20

Olympics opening ceremony is planned to start at 2008/8/8 8:8:8 pm. 8 is auspicious number in China because the pronunciation of “8” is close to the pronunciation of “becoming prosperous” in Chinese.

Rendering pictures of Stadiums that will be used in Olympics 2008
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...4&page=3&pp=20

Most recent update of Olympic Stadiums under construction
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...&page=17&pp=20

Beijing is already one of most expensive cities in the world, but not as expensive as Copenhangen yet although not too far away.
City Mayors: Cost of living - The world's most expensive cities

Beijing means north capital. ("Bei" means north and "Jing" means capital in Chinese) The old English name "Peking" was easier to pronouce for westerners. Tokyo means east capital ("to" means east and "kyo" means capital in Japanese. Although Japan uses Chinese writing characters for its capital name, the Japanese pronuciation is quite different from Chinese.)

By the way, has EU made final decision for the accession of Romania? I have not read any news about it.

~~low_level_superhero~~ · 06-10-2006, 20:44

ablium, yes, it is definitive, from the 1st of January.

ablium · 06-10-2006, 21:30

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Originally Posted by low_level_superhero

ablium, yes, it is definitive, from the 1st of January.

Good. I hope that it is going to be a starting point for the prosperity of Romania

~~low_level_superhero~~ · 06-10-2006, 21:33

If you are interested from time to time in some news from Romania, I reccomend: Hotnews.ro - press review, news, newspapers, TV, radio, documents, download, video

ablium · 06-10-2006, 22:45

Barney,
Multumesc.

danezia · 10-10-2006, 12:46

ok, ablium... guess I will have to "contribute" more to the expansion of the Chinese economy than originally expected on my trip to Beijing.

Returning to the pressing issue of the day.... could China stab DPRK in the back...? (by the usual method of invasion, bombing, coup d'etat)?

No.... I’m not talking S.F. here (although the Chinese invasion of DPRK, is the starting point of my book... witch still lies <unfortunately> unfinished), China has a lot to lose by continuing to protect a rogue state both economically (people may be deterred to travel or invest in a "politically" instable area) and in the area of international prestige.

On the other hand, the Chinese expansion in Africa was based on a policy of non-intervention (as opposed to the US, EU and former URSS), and kicking some “North Korean” ass... would compromise that position.

Anyway there is a lot of (international) pressure on China… and the expectation is that, it has to do more than just “condemn in harsh words” the DPRK. Isolating economically and politically the country is not a viable solution, the North knows to well how to do that on their own.

So China (the aspirant world superpower), has its first shot at proving that it is more than the “world workshop”. Solving this by diplomacy or whatever… will raise a lot China’s profile in the world. (my only fear is that, this crisis exists only for this purpose)

**Ivan** · 10-10-2006, 13:43

Si in română, va rog.

ablium · 10-10-2006, 17:59

North Korea is a complicated political issue for China.
Coming out from the dictatorship rule and isolation a quarter of century ago, almost all Chinese people strongly dislike the regime of North Korea. However, current China's influence on North Korea is very limited. A high ranking official of North Korea said several months ago that "We can not trust China and Russia." From the view point of national interest, China certainly does not want its neighbor country to have nuclear weapon.

Invasion of North Korea or overthrow of the regime by other means is surely not in the plan of Chinese government. The politics of three East Asia countries, China, Korea, and Japan is deeply rooted in history and is very complicated. Current Korean (both North and South) have strongest resentment toward Japan because pre-WWII Japanese colonial rule. Korean does not like Chinese either because China was the dominant power in the region in the history. China had military presence in Korea before the emerging Japan took over in the late 19th century. South Korean also sees the China's intervention in Korea war as the cause for Korea to miss the chance of reunification.

This is a good brief history lecture of Korea War (I posted before in Korea thread)
YouTube - korean war 1 of 2
YouTube - korean war 2 of 2

While China is currently largest trading partner for both North and South Korea, the Korean nationalistic sentiment to reduce China's influence is increasing because South Korean recent economic success. South Korea has recently changed its capital name used for over a thousand of years in Korean and Chinese language. Seoul means "Han City" in Korean and Chinese language. "Han" is a dynasty of China about 2000 years ago. 95% of Chinese are ethnic Han, which originated from Han Dynasty. The main river in Korea is called Han River, which South Korea is also planning to change its name.

From the national interest, China probably does not want to see North Korea to collapse. Currently, there are many refugees and illegal economic immigrants from North Korea in China. The collapse of North Korea could create bigger refugee problem. The other possible scenario is that collapse of North Korea will lead to the reunification of Korea. China does not have much concern about the reunification of Korea. What China may worry is that American military bases in South Korea may move northward after Korean reunification. There are currently about 37,000 American soldiers in South Korea. So, for China, North Korea is more than a dictator regime and it is a part of geopolitics.

I think that North Korea just wants to use the rocket and nuclear bomb to make big noise to cover up its economic failure and to get more bargaining chips in negotiation table for more economic aids. I guess that the North Korea issue will be solved after the death of its current leader. So the world has to wait patiently.

danezia · 11-10-2006, 00:26

I liked also this article on the BBC China's 'nightmare scenario'

danezia · 12-10-2006, 14:20

BUT I DON'T LIKE THIS AT ALL!!!

This only confirms the reports in the Romanian (and foreing) media, about the "human hunt"... of tibetan refugees.

**ninanina** · 12-10-2006, 19:01

Viata unui cetatean chinez valoreaza tot atat cat pe timpul imparatului,adica nimic.

ablium · 12-10-2006, 19:14

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Originally Posted by danezia

BUT I DON'T LIKE THIS AT ALL!!!

This only confirms the reports in the Romanian (and foreing) media, about the "human hunt"... of tibetan refugees.

This article is from the web site for Tibet independence, so it could have some exaggeration. The kids in the picture of the article seem quite relaxed. It does not look like that they had just gone through shooting or other life-threatening events.

China-India border is open, If Tibets want to leave the county, they can go to India by pretending to do border trade.

**ninanina** · 12-10-2006, 20:06

Ablium,intamplarea s-a petrecut in fata unor alpinisti romani,ei au povestit ce s-a intamplat,la intoarcerea in tara.Bietii oameni mergeau in pelerinaj la Dalai-Lama cel adevarat,nu cel fabricat de guvernul chinez,nu au avut alta vina.

danezia · 12-10-2006, 23:45

Ok, ablium…. I’m a mountain man… and I consider that usually my fellow alpinist don’t engage in fabricating lies (except for the odd drunken soon to be dead alpinist that saw Bigfoot). So I tend to believe when lot’s of climbers start telling the same story. (and begin producing photos on that subject), And maybe, because I like the mountains so much, I am a little biased concerning the plight of the Tibetan people. (but I don’t care so much about the Dalai-lama or whatever)

The link on the pro Tibetan web site appeared in my post… just because it was the first place where the photographic evidence appeared… there are a lot other links referring to this story... which captured my attention

I think that people like me (alpinists) don’t risk being banned from the Tibetan side of the Himalayans just to tell lies. We love to much those mountains…

I presume there isn’t any central government involvement here… (Just because I consider that those guys in Beijing are smarter than doing this…. <those 8 people shot worth , and I am cynical here, lot less than Chinas reputation>, and they wouldn’t have done that in front of lot’s of foreign tourists and let them keep the photos ) It’s more or less… a good example of moronic stupidity at local level, and unfortunately a sign of Chinese intolerance and hate towards the non-Chinese…

And getting to the point… "me going to Beijing". Is there a degree of intolerance toward foreigners in China… like the smugness of the Japanese people? Or, I am ok… as long as I am a walking spending machine? Do Chinese people like foreigners? Or just those who come from a country that works better or is more powerfull (maybe more a question of respect).

I just ask, because it would be nice to make some Chinese friends...

Sorry for being a little mean today, but this Tibetan thing (happening in 2006) has put me in a very BAD mood, mainly because I like so much what China wants to build… and I want China to become a great civilized superpower… an example for the occident and the whole world.

So this is truly a disappointing development….

ablium · 14-10-2006, 00:29

I believe now that the shooting by the border guard was true after I confirmed the news from different sources. I think that China should give more religion freedom although I am an atheist. There are about 50 ethnic minorities in China. Tibet and Uygur areas are the troubled areas because some of these two ethnic minorities are seeking independence. Generally, most of Han Chinese do not know much about Tibetan and Uygur because they live in remote provinces. Generally, Han Chinese do not hate Tibetan and Uygur and Han Chinese just feel that Tibetan and Uygur culture are exotic and interesting. However, most Chinese oppose the independence of Tibet and East Turkistan.

There are significant number of foreigners living Beijing and several other big cities. Generally, most foreigners in China are tourists and businessmen. Foreigners in China generally have good education and have high level jobs. So foreigners are generally well respected in China. In smaller cities, Chinese have some curiosity about foreigners with different facial looking because they have rarely seen foreigners. Unlike Japanese, Chinese certainly do not have the smugness. China had one century of humiliation by military defeat and foreign occupation and poor living standard for long time. In fact, many Chinese still have inferiority sense although Chinese have regained some confidence in recent years. Most Chinese have never been to foreign counties and have little knowledge about foreign countries. Most Chinese believe that foreign countries are much better developed. That is why some first-time Chinese visitors to the US get a little bit surprised and find out that America was much better developed in their imagination than in the reality. I think that you should feel comfortable when you visit China if you do not raise banner supporting Falun Gong or Tibet independence.