China - o noua putere mondiala

[ablium]

This is an article by a BBC reporter who has always been negative on China
BBC NEWS | Programmes | From Our Own Correspondent | China's new wealth and old failings

I think that the reporter should read following articles so that he will know mistrials happen in all countries, not just in China

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[ninanina]

Da,erori se intampla peste tot.Insa problema nu este asta.Statului chinez nu-i pasa cati mor executati de pomana,pe cand in statele democratice o asemenea eroare descoperita are urmari grave.Bietul om voia doar sa spele onoarea fiului si a familiei sale,viata distrusa nu mai putea sa si-o recapete.China nu va mai reusi multi ani sa mentina acest echilibru intre o societate ce tinde spre capitalism si o ideologie nu comunista ,ci feudala.Comparatiile facute de tine sunt fortate,ai scuza si meriti tot respectul,ca iti aperi conationalii.E ca si cum i-ai gasi scuze lui Kim-Jong -Il pentru fraudarea alegerilor,ce daca ,si in SUA a fost scandal la alegerea lui Bush. Ce ma sperie pe mine nu e politica Chinei ,ci cea a SUA,care incepe sa nu mai fie exemplul de urmat in domeniul libertatilor cetateanului si al drepturilor omului.

[ablium]

I did not want to give the mistrial cases in US as an excuse for the mistrial in China. There is absolutely no excuse for any mistrial. What I am opposing is the arrogance and resentment toward China in some reports of western media.

The BBC depicts China political system as evil using an incident of mistrial and his own opinions. Using the same logic of the BBC reporter, one can also write a long report about how evil the American legal system is from a single mistrial incident in US.

The BBC reporter wrote in his article “There is danger in thinking that soon China will be just like us.” This obviously reveals that the west supremacism is in his mind. Why should China do every thing like the west? I think that there is danger in thinking that every country must be like the west countries.

[H2H]

Originally Posted by ablium

I believe now that the shooting by the border guard was true after I confirmed the news from different sources. I think that China should give more religion freedom although I am an atheist.

You think China should give more religion freedom?
Well, I remember Tien An Men, and I think China should give more than a shit for a human life!!!!!!!
Pls excuse my french.

[danezia]

Guess I have earned my “warn”… I shouldn’t post when I am mad…

But the BBC reporter is right… we should not consider China a normal country… but a country with enormous problems and one (over)populated by a proud people with great hopes for the future.

So I would categorize the Tibetan incident under “s**t happenz” like any other normal democracy in this world did.

It seems that for the last 10 years, this “I don’t give a s**t about what happens in China as long as we can build our c**p there and buy their **** cheap products” has become standard in dealing with The Asian Giant.

So the BBC guy (although I so… respect the BBC for its impartiality) is a m***nic d**k h**d, for not realizing that in the end the UK is as “abnormal” as China. If they would have been a TRUE democracy, they would have posed all the sanctions you would impose on a presumably rogue state that doesn’t care about human right. (you should detect the fine irony here… UK so caring about human rights in IRAK… ya right!)

But China=UK=EU=USA… they are just the playground of the BIGCORP.

[ablium]

Originally Posted by valim

You think China should give more religion freedom?
Well, I remember Tien An Men, and I think China should give more than a shit for a human life!!!!!!!
Pls excuse my french.

There is no doubt that Chinese government made huge mistakes in 1989. There were several similar events in South Korea and US, which never had as big publicity as Tian An Men. See these wikipedia articles

Gwangju massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kent State shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, I do not want above example to be an excuse for the shooting in Tian An Men.

Regarding the death penalty mentioned in the BBC article, China does execute more people than any other countries. This is partially because China has larger population and partially because China applies death penalty to more types of crimes. Currently, almost all European countries have abandoned death penalty. Romania had abandoned death penalty immediately after the execution of Ceausescu couple. US still use death penalty mainly for a part of murder crimes. China applies death penalty to murder, narcotic drug trafficking, and big embezzlement and corruption crimes. In Europe, the public sentiment mostly wants to abandon death penalty. In US, a part of people support death penalty and a part of people want to abandon. In China, most people support death penalty. Here is the Wikipedia link regarding the death penalty issue.

Capital punishment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The country with the highest execution rate is Singapore, not China. Some people dislike Singapore because it has very strict law, but some people consider Singapore as model country. The country enjoys high economic growth rate, high living standard, low level of corruption, safe society, good education, low unemployment rate, and very clean city. It is also one of countries with highest economic competitiveness.
Singapore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some people believe that China is following Singapore model.

[cristinalps]

ablium, are you trying to say that China supports death penalty as a measure of demographic controll? I don't want to believe that this is what you are telling us, but that is what can be understood from your post. The only decent conclusion is that chinese governement does not respect human life . And this fact is far from what a superpower should behave.
ablium, incerci sa spui ca China foloseste pedeapsa cu moartea ca metoda de control demografic? nu vreau sa cred ca asta incerci sa ne spui, dar asta se intelege din postul tau. si singura concluzie decenta este ca guvernul chinez nu respecta viata fiintelor umane. Iar aceasta este departe de comportamentul pe care ar trebui sa-l aibe o superputere.

[ablium]

Originally Posted by cristinalps

ablium, are you trying to say that China supports death penalty as a measure of demographic controll?

When did I say this? I did not say any of my personal opinions and I just pointed out some facts.

[ninanina]

Nu era vorba de cat de folositoare este aplicarea pedepsei cu moartea ci de faptul ca statul chinez n-a binevoit sa-si ceara scuze daca a comis o eroare si l-a executat pe baiatul ala degeaba.Batranul a incercat sa se sinucida din cauza rusinii si amaraciunii.Cuvantul onoare va mai spune ceva sau e ca in Caragiale?

[cristinalps]

Originally Posted by ablium

Regarding the death penalty mentioned in the BBC article, China does execute more people than any other countries. This is partially because China has larger population

I am sorry, i may have been misunderstood, but this is the fragment that cought my attention. Besides, you are involved in a conversation, you cannot just state some facts . It is normal to have your own opinion, why are you so defensive?
I thought that what you are posting here are your personal opinions, especially since this discussion involves your native country. And i just wanted to point out the fact that your previous post may lead to missconceptions.

Imi pare rau, poate m-ai inteles gresit, dar acesta este fragmentul care mi-a atras atentia. Pe langa asta, porti o conversatie, nu faci o declaratie referitoare la niste fapte. Este normal sa ai o opinie proprie, de ce te feresti? Chiar am crezut ca postezi propriile tale opinii, mai ales ca discutia de fata se refera la tara ta natala. Si doar am vrut sa-ti atrag atentia ca postul precedent ar putea naste neintelegeri.

[ablium]

Originally Posted by ninanina

Nu era vorba de cat de folositoare este aplicarea pedepsei cu moartea ci de faptul ca statul chinez n-a binevoit sa-si ceara scuze daca a comis o eroare si l-a executat pe baiatul ala degeaba.Batranul a incercat sa se sinucida din cauza rusinii si amaraciunii.Cuvantul onoare va mai spune ceva sau e ca in Caragiale?

I don't know the case mentioned in the BBC report and I don't know whether the Chinese government has given the compensation to the family if it was indeed an error. The BBC reporter has always been negative about China, who even his brother, his friends, and his boss feel that he is obsessed about negative side of China as he confessed in his report. Therefore, I think that I should listen to the story of Chinese government side in order to make my personal judgment. One always needs to listen to the stories of both sides in order to make a better judgment.

[ladyatrix]

I am astonished ablium, how you can put in the same pot the tanks in Tien an men square and the shooting of 4 students by a chaotic Guard. How you can talk in the same key about DNA based mistrials and confession of a crime after torture. almost the same, isnt it? and the fact that kent state shootings were followed by extensive inquiries is similar as well with the chinese government silence over all the non grata subjects.....bloody reporters, why they always dig after cadavers in the backyard of the lovely chinese skyscrapers?

[ablium]

There were tanks in Tian An Men, but I have not seen any evidences that tanks crashed people. All known leaders of students are alive today and they are mostly in the US. I also believe that Chinese government has to face the issue instead of avoiding to talk about it.

Chinese government officially has banned torture for long time although I believe that torture still occurs in China. I can not give any comments about the special case mentioned in the BBC report because I have not read anything other source.

Yes, when one sees the skyscrapers, one should not have illusion that China is a country without problems. There is no doubt that China is a country with enormous problems. However, exaggerating the problems is also disgusting. I really dislike the rhetoric used in the BBC report such as China is a country with "astonishing growth, combined with astonishing greed, where wealth means power, and without power you are nothing." In UK, the homeland of the BBC reporter, isn't wealth means power? In an article that I read a few months ago, a man with asset of several hundreds of millions of dollars was executed by lethal injection in China because he committed a murder crime.

The following article from The New York Time gives much more intellectual discussion about various problems in China than the BBC article given above

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/15/ma...&_r=1&ref=asia

[SF]

Noutati globeandmail.com: China changes death penalty law

[Korn]

Aviapedia � China purchases Su-33s from Russia

The Russian main weapon exporter, Rosoboronexport is completing negotiations with China of delivering up to 50 Su-33 (Su-27K) Flanker-D ship-borne fighter variant of the famous Su-27 Flanker-B. The possible deal is stated to be a worth of US$2.5 billion. China will acquire the first two Su-33s in 2007 or 2008 for evaluations and trials. The fighters will be produced by Komsomolsk-no-Amur’s Sukhoi facility.

Au un portavion din clasa Kuzneţov, cu care nu prea se stie ce fac (e-n reparatii / constructie, nu era chiar gata), cumparat de la ucrainieni...

[ladyatrix]

ProTV Video

[cristinalps]

Ba as zice si:
Chinese county slaughters 50,000 dogs - Pet Health - MSNBC.com
Ce naiba se intampla acolo????

[valh]

Originally Posted by cristinalps

Ba as zice si:
Chinese county slaughters 50,000 dogs - Pet Health - MSNBC.com
Ce naiba se intampla acolo????

si cand ma gandesc ca se practica de multe ori si pe forum metoda.

Ce sa fie ,conving un caine .

[ablium]

Originally Posted by ladyatrix

ProTV Video

It is an interesting video. The video recalled my exciting experience when I arrived Otopeni Airport in Bucuresti for the first time a quarter of century ago.

Italian company, Romanian factory, Chinese labor, truely an example of globablization. It is also a good way to bypass the textile quota that EU impose on China.

[SF]

ablium, care e punctul tau de vedere vizavi de limita impusa importurilor din China?
Nu esti de parere ca prea multe importuri vor afecta producatorii interni?