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Thread: China - o noua putere mondiala

  1. Back To Top | #11081
    Quote Originally Posted by oldshooterman View Post

    "China's move will allow exporters such as Russia and Iran to circumvent U.S. sanctions by trading in yuan."
    Si cine crezi ca va face trade cu yuanul? maica Rusie?Rusii stiu ca -chinejii sunt o mare amenintare pt ei in Extremul Orient.Dar acum sunt fortati sa accepte orice de la oricine,orice dolar conteaza.

    Tu,ca iubitor de sovieto-comunisti,ar trebui sa stii ca: comunismul si nazismul(national-socialism) au avut ca sponsori,printre altii, si bancile americane.
    Banci americane care nu vor accepta cotatia yuanului pt ca China este doar un balon de sapun fara piata americana sau europeana.Cate tari dezvoltate vor mai accepta importul de produse de unica folosinta la pret de dumping din China?

    China vrea sa fie numba one?Cu ce?Daca vor fi numba one ca nr de produse exportate,nu inseamna ca bancile vor accepta yuanul(tinut in viata de banca lor centrala cu infuzii mari de dolari) ca moneda de schimb in comertul mondial.
    moneda si economia lor bazata pe exportul de produse la pret de dumping nu pot inlocui o economie sanatoasa.
    Tu,ca un cumparator de produse americane (Intel,nvidia,IBM) sau sud-koreene (Samsung,LG) ar trebui sa stii.
    But wait,daca pe eticheta lor scrie made in china gata esti convins ca ii vei sprijini pe chineji...pacat ca prietenii tai rusi nu mai produc tv-uri si masini de calitate sovietica.

  2. Back To Top | #11082
    Do you understand economy and technology? China can do yuan-based oil future trade because China is the world's largest oil importer now. The US had been the number one oil importer for decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by takada View Post
    Tu,ca un cumparator de produse americane (Intel,nvidia,IBM) sau sud-koreene (Samsung,LG) ar trebui sa stii.
    Check the data of Q2 2017 see the growth rates of all five companies.
    Smartphone share of Huawei, OPPO and Xiaomi in Q2 2017 | TelecomLead


    6 of top 10 smartphone makers (top 3 to top 8) are Chinese
    World’s 10 biggest smartphone companies | Gadgets Now

    China is massively investing in critical technologies and manufacturing capacity for smart phones such as OLED display and flash memory, which South Korea currently leads.
    Last edited by ablium; 03-09-2017 at 22:14.

  3. Back To Top | #11083
    Yea right. I thought as well that Xiaomi might offer decent phones for the price until i saw this test

    Xiaomi Mi5 Bend Test - Scratch test - Burn test - Durability test - YouTube

    The hardware might be powerful but its packed in the usual shit chinese quality stuff and the software is so horrible that it slows the flagship grade soc and they have to cheat in the benchmarks to have similar rating with decent phones.

    Fun fact: during his tests, only two other phones before this one failed his tests. HTC who is a Taiwanese company who manufacture their phones in China, and Huawei Nexus 6P, another chinese phone. So 3/3 failed phones are chinese. Now that's something to think about before you buy a chinese phone...

    Most of the companies you quote aren't even selling their phones outside China because they don't meet the SAR maximum limits and other certifications to be sold on EU market or in US. They sell their phones only in China, India and other 2nd rate countries.
    Last edited by MosSpanac; 04-09-2017 at 06:33.
    Clap clap !

  4. Back To Top | #11084
    Eu am fost mai multumit de Huawei decat de toate celelalte, care aveau defecte, mai ales la calitatea imaginii, cu deviatii ale albului grave, spre 8-9000k sau alte defecte. Iar la Huawei softul mi s-a parut cel mai intuitiv si nu s-a blocat niciodata si n-a mers incet.

  5. Back To Top | #11085
    Quote Originally Posted by MosSpanac View Post
    Yea right. I thought as well that Xiaomi might offer decent phones for the price until i saw this test

    Xiaomi Mi5 Bend Test - Scratch test - Burn test - Durability test - YouTube

    The hardware might be powerful but its packed in the usual shit Chinese quality stuff and the software is so horrible that it slows the flagship grade soc and they have to cheat in the benchmarks to have similar rating with decent phones.

    Fun fact: during his tests, only two other phones before this one failed his tests. HTC who is a Taiwanese company who manufacture their phones in China, and Huawei Nexus 6P, another chinese phone. So 3/3 failed phones are chinese. Now that's something to think about before you buy a chinese phone...

    Most of the companies you quote aren't even selling their phones outside China because they don't meet the SAR maximum limits and other certifications to be sold on EU market or in US. They sell their phones only in China, India and other 2nd rate countries.
    LOL. In the list of 20 smartphones that survived the test, Mate 8 (Huawei), Honor 5x(Huawei), Droid (Lenovo), OnePlus, Moto X (Lenovo), OnePlus Two are designed and made by Chinese companies. It is not that Chinese companies can't make strong frame, but rather that some Chinese companies don't want to use top materials for the price of the phone. Nokia phone was sturdy and durable, but Nokia is bankrupted now. In business, cost is an important factor in designing a product. Saphire is a better glass and OLED is a better display, but why Apple iPhone don't use these components so far?

    You can continue to look down on China. While you bash Chinese smartphone quality, you should ask where Nokia, Motorola, Blackberry, Sony, Ericsson, and Alcatel are now, once industrial leaders in cellphone manufacturing not too long time ago. You should also ask how Chinese companies prospered in the extremely competitive smartphone market.

    Let me tell you my opinion. You will have time to verify if what I say now is true or false in next a couple of decades.

    In two decades, China will be the leader in virtually every technology field, from electronics, aerospace, electric cars, artificial intelligence, biotechnology.
    I say so not because of the stupid nationalistic pride and ego. I estimate based on objective data and my observation on different societies.

    China has the advantages that no other countries have.

    1. Huge market for technology products (approaching the US and EU combined for many technology products now).

    2.The number of Chinese STEM graduates is multiple of that of the US now. The US is heavily dependent on the import of foreign-born STEM tenants. In many US companies, more than 50% of engineering staffs are foreign-born.

    3.Due to various reasons, China started late comparing to the West and Japan in industrialization, but China has now become a fully industrialized nation. China has regained the title of being world's largest manufacturer, which it held for a long time until two centuries ago. China can now make nearly everything by itself although some of the products are still not the best in the world. But they are improving fast. It is just a matter of time for China to become not only the largest but also the best manufacturer. I talked to an American expert on satellite a couple of weeks ago. He said that China's satellite technology used to be several generations behind the US several years ago, but now it is just one generation behind the US. China is now adopting new technology at a faster pace than US or EU are.

    4. China has built the largest and the first-class infrastructure, not seen in any other developing countries. The US still has more annual air passengers per year than China has now, but China will surpass the US in air transport very soon. The US still has longer railways than China, but the US railways usage efficiency is very low and the electrification rate and the average speed are far behind that of China. In seaports, expressway, high-speed rails, modern airport, electricity generation, China is now ahead of the US. Chinese public transportation hardware (metro trains and high-speed train) are more advanced than most Western countries now.

    5. China is a rising country now. From history, we know that a large country often has large inertia. When a large country is at an up-trend, the trend will last several decades if not centuries. I think that China's up-trend will last at least another 30 years. The US and EU will spend a large part of their energy in solving the various political issues resulted from demographic changes.
    Last edited by ablium; 04-09-2017 at 12:08.

  6. Back To Top | #11086
    Quote Originally Posted by ablium View Post
    You should also ask how Chinese companies prospered in the extremely competitive smartphone market.
    I got this one: IP theft and protectionism.

    It's easier to gain an advantage when you play dirty and the government backs you up.

    China’s Intellectual Property Theft Must Stop - NYTimes.com

  7. Back To Top | #11087
    Quote Originally Posted by MosSpanac View Post
    They sell their phones only in China, India and other 2nd rate countries.
    Don't make mistake! China is the 1st rate country in smartphone usage and application. There are more iPhone users in China than in the US. The number of smartphone users in China is larger than US and EU population combined. Chinese have better social media and payment apps than Americans have - That is said by many American tech media, not me.

    Just wake up!
    Last edited by ablium; 04-09-2017 at 12:52.

  8. Back To Top | #11088
    Quote Originally Posted by Banzay View Post
    I got this one: IP theft and protectionism.

    It's easier to gain an advantage when you play dirty and the government backs you up.

    China’s Intellectual Property Theft Must Stop - NYTimes.com
    This article basically says that American security system is stupid and American security personnel are all idiots so that China can steal any US technology as it wishes.

    The most important reason that China moves faster now is Chinese work harder. South Koreans did very well in recent decades. If you see how hard South Koreans tech employees work, you will understand why South Korea is so successful in the tech industry. You never appreciate hard working ethic. You always believe that success is stolen or fallen from the sky.
    Last edited by ablium; 04-09-2017 at 14:09.

  9. Back To Top | #11089
    Its not that hard to copy something, its not like every process requiress Bond style espionage. Monkey see, monkey do.

    And the monkey has no shame, as you proved us all. You admit theft and you are proud of it. You admitted mass murder and you are proud of the chinese government and find them excuses for genocide against their own people.

    Chinese make decent phones if they are forced to use the manufacturers specs. I only pointed out that 3/3 phones who miserably failed bend tests were chinese made.
    You can't make an excuse that they wanted to make cheaper phones. All three phones were supposed to be flagship killers with top notch hardware. Nexus 6P is supposed to be a 700$ phone, xiaomi mi5 a 400-500$ phone. You dont get cheap on building at this level unless the designer is autistic and doesnt know better. You can make cheap build at 100$ level but not at flagship level...

    You gave an interesting example with Oneplus, Oneplus is an Oppo product designed for occidental market and it is a well thought product. Xiaomi and most other brands dont have the power to penetrate outside China&India and they need low price to sell else they go bankrupt.

    Here is Nokia in 2017, in case you were wondering. Nokia only lost market because Microsoft was using it to try and impose windows as a mobile OS which failed miserably. Now that they are on Android they will regain market share.

    New Nokia smartphone sold out in a minute after release in China — RT Business
    Last edited by MosSpanac; 04-09-2017 at 16:12.

  10. Back To Top | #11090
    ^
    ^
    Did you read this from your link?

    "In 2013, Nokia sold its mobile division for nearly $7.2 billion to Microsoft. Under the deal, Nokia was prohibited from using its brand name on handsets until the end of 2016.

    Microsoft sold the Nokia brand to HMD Global and Foxconn for $350 million after the company saw a 46 percent drop in phone revenue in the last quarter (Q4 2016). "


    Nexus is Google phone made by Huawei.

  11. Back To Top | #11091
    Google Translate

    The Google Translation is not very good. Since I have some time, let me translate a few paragraphs of an article titled “How Far Is China Still Lagging behind Europe in Living Standard Today?” written by a Chinese engineer who stayed in Paris for several months.

    1. First-class Management and Operational Level


    Paris's public transport is very good, which can be ranked as the first-class. Buses and subways are very punctual and operate until very late to 1:00 AM. There are electronic displays on the platform, showing the arrival time of the next bus or subway. However, the aforementioned the first-class just refers to the management and operation. The hardware facilities are really poor.


    2, Hardware Facilities Have Been Lagging behind China
    For example, in the bus and subway in Paris, there is no air conditioning, probably because the overall summer is relatively cool in Paris. However, in reality, during the peak hours in the summer, it is really crowded and hot. Every time I got off the subway, I felt so released.
    The subway trains are not completely closed like China's green skin train (Ablium: an old type of Chinese passenger train with green color). The windows can open for ventilation. The entire subway trains are also very old. Living in Paris for a long time, one would not feel it. When I just come to Paris from Shenzhen, I felt that the noise inside the subway train was so high. I couldn’t hear the cellphone call well even though I had turned the volume to maximum. In Shenzhen, the noise is much smaller inside the domestically made subway train and the cell phone call can be heard very clearly.

    In China's most subway station, platforms are fully closed. Most subway stations in Paris still do not have an automatic fence. Of course, the new line has closed doors, but they are only a small part.

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    ... because they started construction in 1900, most galleries are really narrow and in Paris you can't, or rather don't want to go all Cultural Revolution on 2000 year old relics.

    I'll give you the lack of A/C. Yeah, it's the climate.

    How's Shenzen's PM2.5 nowadays, still at blast furnace levels?

  14. Back To Top | #11094
    More translation

    "Paris subway cleanliness is completely out of my expectations. In order for you to have a feeling, this is the cleanness level of Paris subway in the summer of 2017.
    China - o noua putere mondiala-paris.jpg


    3. Expensive Transportation and Backward Payment System

    Paris traffic is really expensive, bus and subway, regardless of distance, all a ticket 2 euros, equivalent to 15 yuan. Two-way would cost 30 yuan. If you go to a number of places in a day, the fare will be a lot.

    Of course, you can buy 10 tickets at once in the automatic ticket machine or ticket window, so you can take a discount and reduce each ticket to 1.45 euros, which is about 11 yuan. This is still very expensive. If you take a bus in China, a ticket is 1-2 yuan in most cases.


    ... (Ablium: omited detail of money calculation)

    The funniest thing is that you have to paste your own photo on bus card, otherwise you will be fineed if found. Comparing to the system in China, this is completely backward. I have no idea when they will change the system."

    I will be in Paris in two months and I will take a look by myself.

  15. Back To Top | #11095
    More translation

    "III. Paris Is Becoming Cheaper for Chinese

    I feel that Europe has become cheaper. Of course, It is not cheap in Paris. The price is very high in Paris, but, compared to five years ago, I do not feel Europe is particularly expensive. This is obviously because my income has increased and domestic prices have gone up.

    In 2012, the average monthly wage in Shenzhen was 4595 yuan, only about 550 euros according to the exchange rate at the time.

    In 2017, the average monthly wage has been raised to 7480 yuan, 970 euros according to the current exchange rate. Because of appreciation of yuan, calculated in Euro, the average income of our people has increased by 70% - 80 % in last five years.
    "


    Quote Originally Posted by traforaj View Post

    How's Shenzen's PM2.5 nowadays, still at blast furnace levels?
    Shenzhen air populution level is not too bad, about the same level as in Silicon Valley and San Francisco.

    Shenzhen Air Pollution: Real-time PM2.5 Air Quality Index (AQI)

  16. Back To Top | #11096
    More Translation

    IV. Comparing to French, Chinese People Really Eat Well

    Take beer and watermelon as an example. I am not comparing to Shenzhen, but the average level of the whole of China.

    In fact, many people living in China don't realize that except housing, daily necessities are mostly cheap in China because China is not only industrial manufacturing power, but also agricultural production power.

    Not only housing is expensive, but also other things are very expensive in Paris. No wonder this place is only good for tourism, but not suitable for long-term living. For a long-term living, it is better going to other parts of France, where living cost is less.

    The average monthly income of the French is about 2800 euros, almost 260,000 yuan a year. After deduction of social security costs, net income is 2200 euros, about 200,000 yuan a year.

    Of course, the median income is much lower. The median income of French is 1750 euros, which means that you have a higher income than half of the French do income if your annual income is 160,000 yuan.

    In fact, because the French women's labor participation rate is lower than that of China, many women do not work and stay at home with children. The gap is even smaller between Chinese family income and French family income. Chinese women labor participation rate is about 76%, at the world's highest level. The French women's labor participation rate is much lower than ours. If the wife stays at home full time, the French man makes the 160,000 yuan in Paris, it is not easy things to raise a family.

    Of course, the level of income in Paris is higher than in France as a whole, but it is about 200,000 yuan per year.

    Let's talk about a common fruit --- watermelon as an example. Teacher Cang (Ablium Comment: Teacher Cang is a Japanese porn star, who is very famous in China) complained about the Japanese watermelon is expensive. When she came to China, she must buy watermelon to eat. This time I have a similar feeling as Teacher Cang's feeling. When I go back to China, I must buy watermelon to eat.


    I was not willing to buy watermelon inside French supermarket inside anyway. The following photo is taken in Carrefour supermarket. 7.95 euros/kg. Of course, some other supermarkets or roadside fruit stalls are cheaper, about 3 euros/kg or more, so one kilogram is more than 20 yuan.


    China's watermelon production accounted for 60% of the world. (Ablium Comment: I checked the internet. What he said is a little bit less than the data on the internet. China accounts for 66.7% world's watermelon production. https://top5ofanything.com/list/a134...cing-Countries) people like to buy one or a half and eat in a large quantity. because watermelon is cheap in China. In France, watermelon is cut into small pieces. I always felt that the quantity is not sufficient.

    So After I got back to Shenzhen, I bought a watermelon on the roadside, big and sweet. In Shenzhen, a watermelon is generally only about 24 yuan (about 3 Euro). (Ablium's Comment: In California, a watermelon with the weight of more than 5kg costs about 5 dollars.)

    Beer is also an example, in Paris, the French people like to drink coffee or drink beer, which is a way of their daily leisure. Office workers often go to drink a cup of coffee in the middle of the day. I personally appreciate this type of lifestyle. There are a lot of French people drink a cup of coffee or beer, or a glass of juice in cafes at the roadside.

    Whether it is a glass of beer, a cup of coffee or a glass of juice, it is not cheap. the general starting price of 3 euros or so, and some have 5 euros, counted as 23-38 yuan a cup, the average price of even 30 yuan it.

    Even if one buys beer to go home to drink, a small bottle of beer cost more than 2 euros, almost 15 yuan, incomparably more expensive than in China.

    (Ablium's Comment: France is the largest agricultural producer in Europe. He probably selects a special agricultural product for the comparison. I feel that he is making the mistake of cherry picking. I guess that not all agricultural products are so expensive in France.)
    Last edited by ablium; 05-09-2017 at 08:49.

  17. Back To Top | #11097
    Quote Originally Posted by ablium View Post

    [I]IV. Comparing to French, Chinese People Really Eat Well
    How about food, do chinese ppl eat food? Lol. Watermelon and beer say nothing. In Romania you can buy a 6kg watermelon for 1 euro so chinese watermelon is expensive af to us. Also in France its not 8 euro per kg, maybe for mixed fruit salad portioned and served in plastic cup with a fork which are ~2 euro a 200g portion.

  18. Back To Top | #11098
    More translation:

    Extended reading: We were robbed in Paris, and I dared to tell the truth only after I returned to China ... ...

    This is a completely unexpected thing, although it has happened for more than a week, I still have a lingering fear. Now I have returned to the country, I think there is a need to share with you my feeling.

    On the matter of being robbed in Paris, I do not want to recall the whole process, but just want to express three key points:

    1. It was not in the night time but in the day time.
    2. The robbers were not blacks but whites
    (Ablium's comments: I am not sure whether he is referring to native whites or Caucasian immigrants).
    3. It was not a single robber but a group of robbers.

    In this trip to Europe, I felt strongly about both suddenly happened events and details of ordinary daily life. I saw a world beyond my imagination.

    (1) Many European countries are organized to form the EU. Within these countries, duty-free and visa-free, so people can travel freely. Many Middle East refugees can easily get into France, Germany, and other countries. Mixing people of different cultures, different religion, and different levels of education would certainly intensify the various conflicts, so the influx of refugees to Europe caused chaos.

    (2) More and more refugees come from the Middle East and other places, largely because some European countries always like to intervene in the Middle East affairs, leading to conflicts and war there. It is karma! You create scourge of war in their countries, people will find you and ask for asylum. So, in accepting the refugees, China's policy is the most reasonable: first of all we never intervene in other countries, and secondly, we help the refugees to rebuild their homes within our ability.


    (3) In China's tier-one and tier-two cities, stealing and robbing are already very rare because, with the economic improvement, maintaining a basic living is not a problem for a normal person as long as he/she is willing to work. Who would dare to take the risk to steal or rob? It would be really stupid if one does. So we live in a country where at least the sense of safety is guaranteed. But it is not the same in Europe, the local Chinese will always remind you to pay attention to your wallet. Whether it is in the subway or the street, pickpockets are everywhere.
    (Ablium comments: Maybe in Paris, there are a lot of thieves and pickpockets that target tourists. My sister's wallet was nearly stolen in Paris and fortunately her tourist teammates stopped it.)


    (4) Chinese model is what the EU most wants to realize. China's various provinces have different positioning. There are resource output type, there are manufacturing type, there are for internet technology, there are for financial and trade, and then they coordinate with each other and form an integration. But the European Union, after all, is not a country. Productive countries such as Germany are busy manufacturing, becoming more and more busy; consuming countries are borrowing for consumption, becoming more and more lazy, such as Greece being almost closed down because the debt crisis. So the Britain withdrew from the EU, because it does not want other countries to take its advantages.


    (5) Europeans pay special attention to their rights and freedoms. For example, a driver for a coach bus on the way will call and tell his boss that it is time for him to get off the work even if he has not sent guests to the destination. Then the boss will obediently come to drive the bus and continue to send guests. You have to pay an additional over-time wage even if a little amount of over-time . In addition, the boss can't let the employees work overtime and can't call employees in the non-working hours. Even if you encounter a matter of urgency, you can not disturb employees in non-working days. Chinese people pay more attention to the overall situation, such as to sacrifice the individual, to achieve the collective, and then to achieve the individual. This is a logic at deeper level.






    More translation to come ...
    Last edited by ablium; 05-09-2017 at 15:44.

  19. Back To Top | #11099
    Quote Originally Posted by ablium View Post

    1. It was not in the night time but in the day time.
    2. The robbers were not blacks but whites.
    3. It was not a single robber but a group of robbers.
    They could be gipsy pickpockets from Romania falsely mistaken as whites; they arent whites nor romanian... and by some peoples opinion not even human. Many foreigners dont recognize races, they assume that if its not black it must be white by the color of the skin.

    Chinese tourists are very fragile, with thin bodies..glasses and arent accustomed to violent enviroments...theyd be better off visiting a country like Greece

  20. Back To Top | #11100
    Hoții lor sunt amuzanți.

    http://shanghaiist.com/2013/04/12/chinese_pickpocket_robs_moving_cyclist_using_chopsticks.php

    Legend
    https://i.redd.it/q76s6o9z23kz.jpg

    Video: Watch Thieves in China Use Chopsticks to Pick Pockets | TIME.com

    Bonus cu furtul promovat de politia locala în aeroport
    China's Black Taxi SCAM! China's most successful SCAM? - YouTube

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