China - o noua putere mondiala

[De Beers]

prea veche

[Merlin]

Pentru Pig -> m-am referit la ce se vede in pozele postate de ablium .... daca tu vezi vreo cultura impresionanta chineza ma scuzi , greseala mea ... insa eu sincer vad o copie fidela , poate chiar mai spectaculoasa a marilor orase ale lumii US - new york, los angeles, londra

[ablium]

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/summer...jing_china.htm

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/forbid...structures.htm

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/forbid..._and_stone.htm

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/palace_beijing_china.htm

[SF]

PigBrother, nu contesta nimeni cultura de milenii a chinei care a creat toate acele opere arhitecturale, literare, artistice, fel de fel de inventii, insa nu prea se regaseste in pozele lui ablium.

Ca si cum zici ca ferma aia - copie fidela a fermei din Dallas, cu statuia libertatii in gradina e reprezentativa pentru Romania.

Opulenta crasa nu ne impresioneaza cand mare parte a tarii traieste in saracie.
Cam ca un fel de caz Zambaccian insa de N ori mai megaloman.

[ablium]

GDP rank
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/.../2001rank.html

Industrial Growth rank
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/.../2089rank.html

Export rank
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/.../2078rank.html

Import rank
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/.../2087rank.html

Most recent trade data history
http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html

[ablium]

Originally Posted by barney

Si acum restul de 95% din China. Daca ati stii cati CEO au cazut doar pentru ca au presupus ca un bloc nou de birouri inseamna ca ai consum intern...

PS: scuzati calitatea unora dintre poze

Sorry, I do not understand Romanian.
Only your first picture is from China. The people in the rest of your pictures do not look like Chinese.

[Ivan]

The rest of the pictures are from Google Image search of China + poor

ablium, do you live in China?

[ablium]

Originally Posted by Ivan

The rest of the pictures are from Google Image search of China + poor

ablium, do you live in China?

Thanks. Yes. I live in Beijing, China.
The second picture is in fact from India.
The third and fourth picture are from under developed Tibet, a part of China. Tibetans look a little bit different from majority of Chinese. We do not see this kind of scene in most area of China, even in the poorest area.
The origin of the fifth picture can not be identified, but looks like in Philippine. Not sure.

[low_level_superhero]

Originally Posted by ablium

Sorry, I do not understand Romanian.
Only your first picture is from China. The people in the rest of your pictures do not look like Chinese.

Han Chinese 91.9%, Zhuang, Uygur, Hui, Yi, Tibetan, Miao, Manchu, Mongol, Buyi, Korean, and other nationalities 8.1%

http://www.indexmundi.com/china/ethnic_groups.html

The gipsys don't look Romanian but they are still Romanian, aren't they?!

Don't be shy, write in English, it's better than nothing. Maybe you'll stop getting warns

LE: Why would you say it is from India?

[ablium]

Originally Posted by barney

LE: Why would you say it is from India?

I think that it comes from this web.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9802/15/india.elex/

The people in the pictue do not look like Chinese

[low_level_superhero]

oops, sorry. you're right

cannot edit that message in order to delete it

[ild12]

nu contesta nimeni cultura de milenii a chinei care a creat toate acele opere arhitecturale, literare, artistice, fel de fel de inventii, insa nu prea se regaseste in pozele lui ablium
nu se regasesc.. si de aici tragi concluzia ca "Nu poti sa cumperi o cultura si o civilizatie, dar cu siguranta poti cumpara mult machiaj"? nu e nevie sa cumpere nimic.. au deja cultura si civilizatie. preiau doar ceea ce au nevoie de la tinerii locuitori ai tinuturilor din vest.

Opulenta crasa nu ne impresioneaza cand mare parte a tarii traieste in saracie
sunt niste amarati de zgarie nori.. unde e opulenta? daca iei in considerare scara la care se discuta lucrurile in china.. probabil vei ajunge la concluzia ca e strictul necesar. sau undeva foarte aproape de acesta.

e interesant(si problematic) daca lipsa spiritului expansionist al chinei o va impiedica sa devina o putere mondiala de prim rang. economic vorbind inspre un astfel de status se indreapta. militar insa..
e nevoie de o schimbare de mentalitate? unde s-ar putea indrepta interesele strategice ale chinei? peste vreo 30 de ani, cand se va pune problema, poate ca petrolul nu va mai fi chiar o resursa abundenta. o lupta(rece, desigur. nu e practic si nici sanatos pentru psihic sa te gandesti la altceva) cu sua pentru aceasta resursa? how about joining forces cu marele popor rus? si cu cine mai stie cine... un nato asiatic.

[SF]

China are o istorie intreaga in care a fost invadata Oare va schimba ea placa acum ?

ild12, cei care au postat pozele alea nu vroiau sa sugereze ca ele reprezinta doar "strictul necesar" pentru buna functionare a statului. Vroiau sa ne arate o China bogata, infloritoare si mai stiu eu ce ..

[ablium]

China is poor and China is also rich. China is a developing country and China is also a developed country. It is a big country, as big as Europe. So there are some rich areas and there are also some poor areas. Just like Europe, you can find a country with GDP per capita of $62,700 (Luxembourg) and you can also find a country with GDP per capita of $2,100 (Moldova)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/.../2004rank.html

[De Beers]

and why do you have fixed exchange rates ??

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[ablium]

Originally Posted by De Beers

and why do you have fixed exchange rates ??

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For the stability of currency. Chinese currency has appreciated 3% since last July.

[De Beers]

let me put it this way:

99 % of 1,2 bil. is working for 50 $ a month.

for a pair of gucci glasses (or guci/guchi, made in china/chiaina) a guy in china is payed 0.2 $ an hour, in constanta it arrives at 0.3-0.5 $ per item, on black market it is sold with 1 or 2 $ and on the city malls it has the low price of 10 or 12 $.

now multiply this with 1,2 bil. add thousants of illegal distribution networks, millitary controled economy and you will have the greatness of china.

for every legal or certified factory (foreign capital or industry) you have dozens of cheap copies, like that guchi glasses, from witch you flood the market with cheap and simulated products. anything from toys to laser cutters. despite international laws regarding intelectual property rights and so on.

no wonder you don't act surprized when you are banned on some markets (textile industry in europe for example)

your low price that allowed you to enter on western markets was possible only because you put a large number of people to work on very low (and controled-for stability, as you said) amount of money.


that is not stability, that is slavery.

[LightSpit]

Dumping it is a common practice when you want to penetrate a new market.
Japanese companies are using also the same strategy, the only difference they are doing it with a higher quality products. Also they do not have any respect for intelectual property rights.

One funny thing about China.
In the developed areas of South-est and in and near Shanghai, the Chinese businessmen from auto industry are a little bit afraid of Romania (?!).
The reason is the worker income in these areas is a little bit higher or equal (~1400 euro netto/year) than the one of Romanian worker. But the logistic from China to Europe means 4-5 weeks by sea and 2 days by truck from Romania to Germany, France, Sweden.

Talking about copies, I saw the Q&Q car and I sweared it was Chevrolete Spark (ex-Daewoo Matiz 3). These cars have even interchangeable spare parts.

[ablium]

Originally Posted by De Beers

let me put it this way:

99 % of 1,2 bil. is working for 50 $ a month.

for a pair of gucci glasses (or guci/guchi, made in china/chiaina) a guy in china is payed 0.2 $ an hour, in constanta it arrives at 0.3-0.5 $ per item, on black market it is sold with 1 or 2 $ and on the city malls it has the low price of 10 or 12 $.

now multiply this with 1,2 bil. add thousants of illegal distribution networks, millitary controled economy and you will have the greatness of china.

for every legal or certified factory (foreign capital or industry) you have dozens of cheap copies, like that guchi glasses, from witch you flood the market with cheap and simulated products. anything from toys to laser cutters. despite international laws regarding intelectual property rights and so on.

no wonder you don't act surprized when you are banned on some markets (textile industry in europe for example)

your low price that allowed you to enter on western markets was possible only because you put a large number of people to work on very low (and controled-for stability, as you said) amount of money.


that is not stability, that is slavery.

You are completely out of touch with the reality in China. I don't know where you got those bogus data. Maybe you simply got from your imagination. You are welcome to visit China and check with reality by yourself. I am sure you will be surprised that China is very different from what in your and many Europeans' imagination. If China's economic success can be simply attributed to the currency exchange rate manipulation and product simulation, then why don't other countries imitate China to achieve economical growth?
There are no simple explanations that can be used to understand the rise of any country in the history. This assertion applies to the European rise in 17th century, the American rise in the 19th century, and the Japanese rise in the end of 19th century, and similarly the Chinese rise in the end of 20th century.

[ablium]

Interested in buying Chinese products?
Here are two good web sites
http://old.ccn.mofcom.gov.cn/cbg/index_en.html
http://www.made-in-china.com/