China - o noua putere mondiala

[ablium]

Un cel mai bun articol in romana despre China citit de mine.

http://krossfire.wordpress.com/2007/...ub-lupa-china/

Almost all of the descriptions about China in the article are accurate except the Tibet issue and the space program(the author ignored the strength of Russia's space program). Apparently, the author knows some Chinese language.

[01st1]

Originally Posted by ablium

Un cel mai bun articol in romana despre China citit de mine.

Bravo, ablium. Interesant articolul, ceea ce mi-a placut a fost ca am gasit si puncte de vedere personale ale autorului, nu numai citate "reci".
Chiar, tu de ce nu pui pe forum experiente personale care sa ne faca sa cunoastem mai bine China?

[Jigodie]

foarte interesant si realist articolul.
am citit recent o carte despre China si mi-a placut.
cele relatate in articol, se regaseau in mare si in aceasta carte.

[Erethorn]

Fara sa intru, pentru moment, in prea multe detalii, constat ca cel putin unul dintre subpunctele articolului, cel care trateaza artele martiale, statueaza o ineptie "cat China":

"De remarcat faptul ca tot China este responsabila aproape integral pentru artele martiale, japonezii si alte popoare asiatice preluand ulterior stilurile. (Celebrul templu Shaolin este o emblema a Chinei). Karate-ul este relativ recent, aparand pe la inceputul secolui XX printr-o combinatie de arte martiale din zona Taiwan si stiluri de lupta japoneze"

In ceea ce priveste opiniile legate de economia chineza, mi se pare interesant:

"5.Produsele ”Made in China” sunt niste porcarii

Invatati dupa revolutie cu tonele de porcarii contrafacute gasite in piete, am inceput sa asociem Made in China cu notiunea de kitsch. Daca citeati prima dizertatie (raspunsul la prima intrebare) observati ca vorbim de produse din ce in ce mai variate cu standarde foarte inalte. 80% din produsele digitale sunt facute in China si nu sunt de nicio culoare proaste. Nici automobilele chinezesti sau produsele de consum originale chinezesti sau produse sub franciza nu sunt proaste (testele si recenziile o arata). Problema este ca, in regiunile sarace s-au dezvoltat intregi piete negre de obiecte contrafacute aruncate prin tarile fost-comuniste de ”baieti destepti”. Mai nou nu mai sunt atatea lucruri ”Made in China” sau ”Made in Taiwan” cate sunt ”Made in Laos” (fosta parte din Vietnam..mare producatoare de bunuri cu calitate indoielnica)

Atentie : Vorbesc de produsele create sub franciza sau in fabrici chinezesti de firme straine si de firmele mari chinezesti (am amintit cateva la inceput) nu de televizoare ”Pabasonic” si alte minunatii."

[ablium]

Originally Posted by Erethorn

Fara sa intru, pentru moment, in prea multe detalii, constat ca cel putin unul dintre subpunctele articolului, cel care trateaza artele martiale, statueaza o ineptie "cat China":

"De remarcat faptul ca tot China este responsabila aproape integral pentru artele martiale, japonezii si alte popoare asiatice preluand ulterior stilurile. (Celebrul templu Shaolin este o emblema a Chinei). Karate-ul este relativ recent, aparand pe la inceputul secolui XX printr-o combinatie de arte martiale din zona Taiwan si stiluri de lupta japoneze"

Japan was a student of China throughout history until about 160 years ago. The first written record of Japanese people briefly appeared in a Chinese history book in the first century when a gold seal was granted to a local Japanese ruler by the Chinese Han Dynasty emperor in 57AD after a Japanese tribe paid tribute to China. (This gold seal is still kept in a Japanese museum.) Japanese did not start writing their histories until around 600 AD.. Most unlearned people do not know that many things known to be “Japanese” today are originated from China or strongly influenced by China. To give a few examples, see links:Japanese written language , Kimono (Japanese national costume), Japanese Architecture, Japanese painting, Japanese Literature, Go, History of Japan, The obscurity of China and prominence of Japan in the 20th century resulted in more influence of Japanese culture and less influence of Chinese culture in other part of the world. This historical abnormality probably will end soon.

Japan massively imported Chinese culture and technology during China's Tang Dynasty(618-907AD). During this period, there were a large number of Japanese studying in Chang An , the capital of Tang Dynasty and the world largest city at that time. Chang An is called Xi An today and is one of most attractive tourism cities of China. The Terra Cotta Warriors in the city is a must-see tourism site. The city also has many ancient architectures including the city wall. All Chinese cities used to have walls to protect cities before. Xi An is one of few cities still keep the wall today. There are many photos of this ancient city in this thread

[ablium]

The attached are the pictures of the seal, which was dicovered by a Japanese peasant about two hundred years ago. The characters on the seal means "King of Wa Slave State of Han". "Wa" means Japan in ancient time. "Wa" also means dwarf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wa_(Japan)

[leopardul]

http://sport.hotnews.ro/stiri-alte_s...net-timpul.htm

[Daisy]

http://cosmeanu.blog.cotidianul.ro/2...-cea-de-taina/

[Lord Raptor]

http://www.jurnalul.ro/articole/1308...-inceperii-j.o.

Ma, ce treaba au acuma musulmanii si cu astia?
Ca inteleg ca nu le convine de americani si europeni. Dar chinezii ce le-au mai facut?

[ablium]

Originally Posted by Daisy

http://cosmeanu.blog.cotidianul.ro/2...-cea-de-taina/

After viewing this video, it makes me laugh.

When I was a kid, I was taught how much black people in America were suffering. It is really laughable how Chinese were fooling themselves. After China opened to the world 30 years ago, Chinese realized how far they had fallen behind Western societies and even some non-western countries. Although some Black Americans were suffering, the average Black Americans were living much better than average Chinese. Suffering of small group of people certainly did not represent American society. Since the opening of China 30 years ago, Chinese were more focused on the bright side of western society and worked hard to catch up. In my opinion, in the process of imitating western society today, Chinese often ignored the dark side of western society.

Today, in my opinion, some Western media and even some Western leaders are fooling themselves and they are repeating the mistakes that Chinese made before. It is true that China has many problems and has many discontent people. Many people are still poor. There are many cases of human right violation and government corruption. Obsession of these issues and ignorance of the rapid transformation of China in western media not only damages the image of China but also misleads and harms the world audience. China’s government must have done something right. Otherwise, it would not have developed so fast from one of world poorest countries in last 30 years. In 20 to 30 years, when China move ahead of rest countries, maybe all of these self-fooling report in western media will stop. This prediction is not wishful thinking, but it is based solid data and trend. Today, China already produces nearly 50% world construction materials including cement, glass, and ceramics to meet its massive construction need. Its steel production is more than that of G8 countries combined. Stainless steel production is more than US and Japan combined. The production of almost all industrial metals including copper, aluminum, zinc, lead, nickel, chromium, gold, etc are on the top of the world. Within three years, the auto production and ship building will also be on the top of the world. Within five years, China will likely surpass US in electricity production.

By the way, I have just toured several Chinese cities and arrived in Beijing for Olympic game today. Beijing has become a very modern and beautiful city. I will try to buy a ticket for game involving Romania team so that I can cheer for Romanian team.

[Daisy]

albium, tu daca ai fi avut casa in Beijing si ai fi fost expropriata cu forta pentru Olimpiada ce ai zice? bravo tovarasi? nimeni nu contesta dezvoltarea Chinei insa ai mila si de fratii tai asupriti si critica si tu coruptia nu-i lua apararea in numele dezvoltarii.

[Lord Raptor]

Daisy. sa pui mana sa inveti chineza, cat de curand.
S-ar putea sa-ti foloseasca.

Ritmul in care se dezvolta colosul asta, e ceva ce inca nu s-a vazut in cadrul istoriei umane.

[ild12]

de fapt nu chiar. japonia dupa razboi a crescut mai repede. in cifre absolute e adevarat ce spui, insa determinarile si mai ales comparatiile nu se fac astfel.

[Lord Raptor]

Eu faceam si o analogie cu populatia Chinei!

Daca ar fi sa facem un calcul a la Civ, cu cat ai mai multa populatie, cu atit ai mai multe sanse sa-i pui pe aia sa faca ceva util pentru avansul tarii, si din cate vad, deocamdata, inca mai au resurse suficiente in ceea ce priveste man-power, ma astept la niste consecinte serioase pe mai incolo.

Chiar si numai gandind in termeni de 50% din productia de ciment a lumii, si tot sunt "tari".
Nu cred ca in timpul reconstructiei Japoniei, ajunsesera la asemenea cifre fantastice.
Ei urmeaza intr-un fel modelul japonez, cu specificitatile lor, dar in ceea ce priveste "scale", sunt la un cu totul alt esalon fata de tot ceea ce s-a intalnit pana acum, in cadrul omenirii.

[ild12]

nimeni nu spune ca cifrele nu sunt fantastice. asa a inceput threadul asta, daca te uiti. e usor insa de cazut intr-o reverie din aceasta la moda... si vorbit despre "cea mai.. din istorie". china e de fapt un caz spectaculos nu pentru ca are niste rate de crestere mari ci mai ales pentru constanta lor de vreo 20 de ani incoace (asta a facut si din japonia un mare succes economic - faptul ca vreo 40 de ani a mers ceas). chiar daca nu creste cel mai repede din istorie, e cert din punct de vedere economic un succes foarte mare. pe asta trebuie pus accent, nu pe treburile gen world book of records. constanta e extrem de valoroasa.

[ablium]

Originally Posted by Daisy

albium, tu daca ai fi avut casa in Beijing si ai fi fost expropriata cu forta pentru Olimpiada ce ai zice? bravo tovarasi? nimeni nu contesta dezvoltarea Chinei insa ai mila si de fratii tai asupriti si critica si tu coruptia nu-i lua apararea in numele dezvoltarii.

All land belongs to the state according Chinese constitution. Private individual and institution can only have the right to use the land, but not own the land. All old private houses demolished for development are compensated, but there are always some people being unsatisfied for the amount of compensation, which causes discontent and dispute.

In the Western countries, there are also similar disputes in the process of acquiring land for the urban and infrastructure development and the disputes are resolved through lengthy and complicated legal battle. In China, the efficiency is gained by omitting such legal battle processes, but government corruption is probably easier to occur without the legal processes.

[ALIN BOGDAN]

Ma uit acum la deschiderea Jocurilor Olimpice si este incredibil ce se intampla. Cat fast si cata propaganda comunista timp in care populatia rabda de foame si munceste pe un bol de orez timp in care cei care protesteaza sunt impuscati pe stadioane! Aceste jocuri olimpice trebuiau boicotate dar vad ca autoritatile internationale au inchis ochii. Se pare ca sunt prea multi bani la mijloc, bani patati de sange.

[Ivan]

Oh, STFU.

[Lord Raptor]

Originally Posted by ivan

oh, stfu.

+1

Dupa tine, ar fi trebuit sa fie facuta in cel mai "sarantoc" mod posibil, ca sa se arate cat de "apropiati" de realitatile ciobanului din creierii muntilor sunt autoritatile chineze?

[Mîtiu Ioan]

Absolut impresionanta ceremonia de deschidere - dincolo de orice alte considerente !

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