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04-09-2008, 02:38
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/popcorn another time. /end. ablium: ok, 5% from romanians know the difference between innovation and invention (ok, let's say there is no legal one but at least you could accept that there are 2 different concepts). How many chinese know what a patent is? 1 in a hundred, 1 in a thousand? Does it matter (for them, of course)? You try to escape the fact that 1,2 BILLION people do not invent/innovate almoust anything, paper and fireworks are not an argument anymore. Try this century or millenium. There's a reason for this. There's a reason for mercedes clones as well. You ignore this fact by telling me that this has nothing to do with freedom of speach or eternal party at power. Ok, let's say you are right. But then, why there are not so many great products designed in China and manufactured in San Francisco :P, especially when you have so many start-ups, 1,2 BILLION people and of course, when "this fable can not stand careful examination based on facts", "a greatest fable and lie in the west media beeing that you need political freedom and democracy in order to have innovation." | ||
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04-09-2008, 03:23
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^ ^ I think you better quit arguing on this subject because you are talking to someone who has much better knowledge in this field than you. It does not look good for you if you continue. Quote:
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Communism was responsible for only a small part of China's failing in last two centuries. Before communist took power in China, China even could not make a bicycle. That was why Japanese dared to invade China. Romania actually was quite good and was able to make fighter plane before WWII. Last edited by ablium; 04-09-2008 at 03:59.. | ||
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04-09-2008, 04:12
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I cannot wait to see the creativity unleashed, 1.2 BILLION people (or is it 1,3 already?) designing products in China to be manufactured in California. Btw, you compare a country where almoust every big company in the world has a subsidiary, to romania, where almoust every engineer left in the last 18 years. Four times higher is not such a big thing from this point of view. SSD instead of cd, is it a innovation or you wait apple to introduce it first? (witch they did already) Can China (or Lenovo) came with something similar in the next 10 yrs? Is it too much to ask (1.3 BILLION people, btw). Is it such a big and revolutionary ideea? Why not? You make bicycles you say? That's a good start. Now make THE BEST bicycles in the world. Can you do this? You have the resources and enough people to try. Will you? | ||
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04-09-2008, 05:08
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| Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Republic of Earth |
^ Not in California yet, but it is already in Czech. http://www.emsnow.com/newsarchives/a...s.cfm?ID=18289 http://www.bjreview.com.cn/photo/txt...tent_60543.htm Last edited by ablium; 04-09-2008 at 05:20.. | ||
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04-09-2008, 11:43
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Bicycles ablium, not CRT TV sets, you said bicycles ! Start with something easy and simple. After you make the BEST bicycle in the world you could go to the next level. "Cheapest" is not similar with "the best". From a energy point of view this is very wrong. China spends sometimes more energy (from the iron ore to rubber) to produce something "cheap", just for the "very low price" of something '99. Yes, it's a "very low price" for a reason. Someone else is paying the difference. Millions in China live on a dollar per day basis because some fat american kid wants a new, cheap and poorly constructed bike, not used at all most of the time. You spend more recycling the bike, the world risking to become a giant trash can, with wars for cheap energy just because of this "cheap means the best" thing. | ||
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07-09-2008, 07:24
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| Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Republic of Earth |
^ Do you feel good?  ********************************* Another "Casa Poporului" in China. Beijing South Railway Station started operation in August 1. This is the most modern train station that I have ever seen in my life. Currently, a highspeed train that run at 350 km/hr to Tianjing, another major Chinese city, begins from this station. In three years, high speed train running up to 380 km/hr will connect Beijing and Shanghai, which will shorten the travel time from 12 hours to 5 hours. The outside of the train station looks like a UFO and the inside looks like a modern airport. See pictures. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=642602&page=3 http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...218503&page=39 | ||
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07-09-2008, 12:46
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The highest current minimum wage in China is $106 a month in the southern business center of Shenzhen. The lowest is $35 a month in the eastern province of Jiangxi. pretul unui hard seat pe ruta beijing shanghai e de $ 46. ablium, daca tu ai fi un lucrator chinez pe minimal wage, ai avea urmatoarele optiuni (ca un free citizen, ce mai...) 1. plin de optimism, realizezi ca in 2020 economia chinei va surpasa ecoomia US si iti vei permite, nu-i asa, sa calatoresti cu trenul. 2. faci foame o luna, te rogi de un prieten sa iti imprumute diferenta de 11 dolari si te duci sa mori de inanitie in tren (ca deh, o luna numai cu apa e cam mult). 3. ii masluiesti fiicei tale de 14 ani actele de identitate in asa fel incat sa concureze la jocurile olimpice la gimnastica. cu premiul castigat faceti calatoria (tu in vagon, ea facand tsukahara intre vagoane). 4. imigrezi in california si de acolo postezi propaganda in gen pro chinezo-comunisto totalitarian pe un forum romanesc, de pe care ai anuntat ca te retragi de vreo 3 ori. pt ca esti un om de onoare, caruia nu ii place sa arunce vorbe in van, te-ai retras de fiecare data, pe intervale variind intre 30 min si 2 zile. cu banii castigati iti cumperi adidasi reebok produsi in china. 5. iti vine mintea la cap, realizezi ca partidul te vrea in provincia Jiangxi si ca nu ai ce cauta pe ruta beijing- shanghai. iti bagi picioarele in el de tren si il injuri in gand pe Mao. nu de alta, dar daca injuri cu voce tare, nu mai iei nici aia 35 de dolari. | ||
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07-09-2008, 21:43
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Your data is not accurate and most updated. I checked train ticket booking website in China. The hard seat ticket price from Beijing to Shanghai starts from 88 Yuan (12.8US$) for slow train to 179Yuan (26.2US$) for fast train. That is not a bad price for travel of 1463 km. From this website http://search.huochepiao.com/chaxun/result.asp, but you need to type in Beijing and Shanghai as start and destination in Chinese language. The search result on ticket price from Beijing to Shanghai is in attached file. Your minimum salary data is not the most updated either. According to the most updated information, the minimum salary for Shenzhen in 2008 is 1000yuan (146$) and the mininum salary for the poorest area of Jiangxi province (Jiangxi Province is classified into several areas according to economic developement levels) is 450 yuan (65.7$). Anyway, people make minimun salary are not expected to make frequent travel. That is true even in United States. Quote:
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07-09-2008, 23:37
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| Registered User  Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: prin curte | Anyway, people make minimun salary are not expected to make frequent travel. That is true even in United States. Acum chiar ca ma simt dator sa insist...si cate stele ai pe epolet?
__________________ Boris Eltin :"Republica Moldova s-ar putea uni intr-o zi cu Romania." | ||
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08-09-2008, 01:28
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Ablium, 1/2000 people is not something to be proud. This is not some british firm designing the Beijing Railway Station, you missed the point again. In fact, I think the chinese government is scared about too many people leaving china (too many dollars going out to other countries instead of building the great wall or greatest hidro something) all of this with the cost of liberties and freedom of the everyday worker. You wanted equal chances for everyone, this was the essence of any communist ideology, now make something about it. Do you think the ordinary chinese doesn't want to see in their lifetime.. let's say, Colloseum? Why do you not let them choose for themselfs? Are you scared that they will not come back? | ||
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08-09-2008, 02:18
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Beijing South Railway Station was jointly designed by a British/Hongkong firm and a Chinese firm. China is a dream place for world best architects today. Many bold achitecture ideas that are implemented in China are difficult to be implement in other part of the world. Here in the architecture department of University of California at Berkeley, everybody wants to work with China. Until recently, China often gave more financial compensation for foreign architect firms than domestic architect firms in bidding major construction projects. This might not be a bad policy for a certain period when a country needs to learn and introduce world cutting-edge design. Facing strong opposition against this policy by domestic architects, Chinese government has recently passed a regulation requiring equal treatment for foreign and domestic architecture design firms in future bidding. Quote:
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08-09-2008, 03:35
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I was talking about tourism, not immigration.. Almoust one in five romanians have travel to Europe this year. Try to understand what I'm reffering to, talking like a propaganda machine is not the best strategy. The fact that British firms had financial compensations is again a proof that your creativity is very low (compared with 6000 or 200 yrs ago). Which brings us back to where we started: innovation and free market. Why you don't have good architects like others? Is it the same story like the one with lenovo creativity? Is it Communism? | ||
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08-09-2008, 04:00
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Chinese traveling to Europe is equivalent to Romanian traveling to China. In terms of geographic distance, Romanian traveling to other European countries is equivalent to a Chinese traveling to other provinces of China. Quote:
Don't tell me that you know Chinese history better than I do. Communism is responsible for a small part of China's failure in last 200 years. It is unfair to blame communism for every China's failure. I saw the same unfairness in some web page, in which some Romanians blame Ceausescu not building enough expressways for current poor transportation system in Romania. Regarding Lenovo, a company with only about 20 years of history can buy the PC division of IBM. By any measurement, it is a very successful company, so please stop your nonsense on its creativity. In case that you don't know, I just want to remind you that IBM was the company that set PC standard in early 1980s. In 1970s, IBM had about 75% of world computer market share. Last edited by ablium; 08-09-2008 at 05:41.. | ||
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08-09-2008, 08:07
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You refuse logic. You are either a women or a chinese.  For you, questions like "Why" or "How" have different meanings. .. A chinese traveling to China is like a romanian traveling to Europe.. Right. Maybe that chinese wants to exchange more cultural information with an european rather than a mongolian or uyghur neighbour. He can decide for himself, don't you think ? | ||
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08-09-2008, 08:27
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| Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Republic of Earth |
^ ^ I am pretty sure that I know logic better than you. Don't be a sexist and racist. I am sorry to say that your writing lacks clarity and I can not fully understand what you want to say. I don't know if a Romanian can fully understand what you want to say. No insult, may I ask how old you are? A Chinese is free to travel any country if he/she has financial capability to obtain a visa from the foreign country. Last edited by ablium; 08-09-2008 at 09:18.. | ||
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08-09-2008, 14:22
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| Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 | A chinese traveling to China is like a romanian traveling to Europe And we were talking about cultural exchange. Shall I continue with english skills and language for the ordinary worker, internet acces or restrictions/censorship in tv/web ? | ||
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08-09-2008, 14:45
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auzi, conducatori chinezi carora le e frica sa nu iasa dolarii din tara si de aceea limiteaza libera circulatie. de unde dumnezeu le scoti? Quote:
ai noroc de un interlocutor rabdator.  as spune ca-l poti folosi mai bine decat o faci. daca acesta ar fi nivelul de punere a problemelor in cazul intregii tabere anti-china... | ||
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