Razboiul din Iraq

[Megalomaniac]

In Viet-Nam you were made to go. In Iraq you're paid to go. This is why Bush won't do that "mistake" you mentioned...He simply doesn't have to!

[Ivan]

Nu mai stiu pe unde am vazut un titlu de ziar astazi, dar parca zicea ca Bush vrea sa mai trimita dooj'de mii de soldatei in Irak.

[Evil Canevil]

Dap, asa se pare. Eu am vazut aseara la stiri la TV. Democratii cica au facut imediat galagie.

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[Mîtiu Ioan]

Originally Posted by bogdan george

Pai asta ar insemna ca americanii ar avea interesul sa opreasca atentatele, daca deja si-au luat contractele, nu?

Pai poate de-aia a decis acuma Bush jr. suplimentarea contingentului - nu ?

Oricum - discutia e irelevanta si punctul meu de vedere risca sa fie gresit inteles daca nu luam in calcul un alt aspect si nu detaliez cele spuse : eu unul consider ca, cel putin o perioada de timp, americanii/o parte din administratie au avut/au inca interesul sa mentina o stare de incertitudine si chiar de conflict pe zona. E vorba aici de un interes limitat, sa zic asa ... un interes "tactic".

E categoric insa ca - dincolo de insurgentii propriu-zis si de luptatorii ( majoritar dupa cite se pare straini ) Al-Quaeda - exista insa si alte forte/servicii secrete straine care au un interes "strategic" ( adica pe termen lung si cu bataie net depasind miza razboiului din Irak si a petrolului din aceasta tara chiar ) ca americanii sa fie prinsi intr-un marasm in Irak ...

Foarte probabil sunt tot aceleasi forte/servicii care au sprijinit si campania de intoxicare a administratiei SUA cu zvonuri privind armele de distrugere in masa irakiene.

[ablium]

I am aware that Bush wanted to send more troops.
Iraq is a bottomless trap for Americans. On the land where people see westerners as infidels and crusaders, I think that it is difficult for Americans to portray themselves as “good guys”. It is also stupid to get involved in the fight between Shiite and Sunni Arabs. It will take Iraqis more than 30 years to pay the cost of the war even if all Iraqi oil export is used.
From the very beginning, I see that this war is not justified for American interests.

[Mîtiu Ioan]

Originally Posted by ablium

From the very beginning, I see that this war is not justified for American interests.

I'm still in favor of interpretation that - in initial "optimistic, but completely naive" perception that main forces to combat in Irak would be Saddam conventional army and a handfull of loyalist the war was quite economically justified ...

[ablium]

I am not surprised about naivete of Bush. If Bush did not foresee the complexity of post-war situation, it is normal considering his background and intelligence. What surprised me is why many of his intelligent and experienced advisors did not stop him from this stupid adventure.

[jet li]

His experienced advisors are addicted to money and oil. Look, now they are in Somalia, why ? there may be oil there too :
http://www.somaliawatch.org/archivejuly/000922601.htm

THE OIL FACTOR IN SOMALIA
FOUR AMERICAN PETROLEUM GIANTS HAD AGREEMENTS WITH THE AFRICAN NATION BEFORE ITS CIVIL WAR BEGAN. THEY COULD REAP BIG REWARDS IF PEACE IS RESTORED

[ablium]

My interpretation is that Bush did not catch Bin Laden after 9/11, so he had to find someone to vent his anger and show the power of America. Poor Saddam was chosen for the purpose.

[Mîtiu Ioan]

Originally Posted by ablium

If Bush did not foresee the complexity of post-war situation, it is normal considering his background and intelligence.

This could be a fake image - anyway, don't forget that his father was chief of CIA !!

[Costin_Razvan]

Originally Posted by Mîtiu Ioan

This could be a fake image - anyway, don't forget that his father was chief of CIA !!

Fake images is all about Politics is about , always was and always will be , how many leaders lied about their actions when they ruled ?

[jet li]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f93275ed9&c=1 - aici se vede cum conduc americanii in Irak, nu e de mirare ca sunt toti suparati pe ei acolo. Conduc asa ca sa nu stea pe loc si sa se expuna, dar mai creeaza cativa oameni furiosi pe USA intre timp

[ablium]

Bush seeks $100 billion for wars in 2007
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070203/...h_budget_dc_10

That is more $300 per citizen. This idiot is going to ruin America.
Historians will make the mark that American decline in 21st century start with the stupid decision of George Bush.

[jet li]

Nu stiu ce e cu atentatele astea din Irak dar nu mi se par deloc in regula ! La stiri la BBC : "se pare ca sunt opera extremistilor suniti si a simpatizantilor lui Saddam" , dar nu pare ok, sa se omoare asa intre ei, acum ultima bomba a omorat 130 de oameni intr-o piata, de ce ar vrea simpatizantii lui Saddam sa omoare alti irakieni, sa puna bomba in piata in loc sa incerce sa omoare americani ?
Saddam nu a fost religios, nu se poate spune ca le-a murit un lider religios si acum sunt suparati
Nu spun ca nu exista si irakieni care lupta cu armata invadatoare, dar toate bombele astea in piete sunt ciudate, adica lupta sa se elibereze de americani si in acelas timp isi omoara proprii oameni ?
Sa nu credeti ca tin cu insurgentii, violenta nu e buna niciodata, doar nu vad de ce si-ar omora proprii oameni daca lupta lor e cu US

[valh]

Originally Posted by jet li

Nu stiu ce e cu atentatele astea din Irak dar nu mi se par deloc in regula ! La stiri la BBC : "se pare ca sunt opera extremistilor suniti si a simpatizantilor lui Saddam" , dar nu pare ok, sa se omoare asa intre ei, acum ultima bomba a omorat 130 de oameni intr-o piata, de ce ar vrea simpatizantii lui Saddam sa omoare alti irakieni, sa puna bomba in piata in loc sa incerce sa omoare americani ?
Saddam nu a fost religios, nu se poate spune ca le-a murit un lider religios si acum sunt suparati
Nu spun ca nu exista si irakieni care lupta cu armata invadatoare, dar toate bombele astea in piete sunt ciudate, adica lupta sa se elibereze de americani si in acelas timp isi omoara proprii oameni ?

Mai Jet Li ,mai ai intrebari existentiale privitoare la politica din Orientul Mijlociu? De ce dracu sunitii ,maronitii ,siitii (desi libieni toti) s-au omorat pe capete? E ceva dubios la mijloc .

Erai bun sa fi fost consilierul lui Kissinger.Sau al lui Ossama.

Originally Posted by ablium

My interpretation is that Bush did not catch Bin Laden after 9/11, so he had to find someone to vent his anger and show the power of America. Poor Saddam was chosen for the purpose.

Bietul Saddam avea si el o amarata de forta militara de 4 milioane de militari activi ,cateva divizioane care insumau 5000 de blindate ,rachete cu raza medie de actiune ,arme chimice ...etc. Bietul de el.Si a facut si el o aventura,asa nevinovata ,invadand Kwaitul.

Si unde mai pui ca voi ziceti in acelasi timp ca americanii l-au inarmat si dotat.Pouvre cherry poussychat.

[jet li]

Asa e,dar daca pui o bomba intr-o piata nu stii pe cine omori, nu stii ce religie au, poti sa omori si de ai tai. Ceva nu e in regula

[valh]

De atentate care urmaresc un efect psihologic invers,ai auzit?

[jet li]

Nu. Ce motive ar putea sa aiba : Sa alunge americanii si sa distruga secta opusa. Nu vad cum ajuta la astea doua pusul unei bomne intr-o piata. Americanii daca vad violenta o sa vina si mai multi, asta face Bush, cred ca si insurgentii si-ar fi dat seama de asta
Sa omori secta opusa omorand fara discriminare intr-o piata nu cred ca merge. Si in Palestina se omoara dar se bat intre ei cu arme, nu pun bombe in piete sa omoare pe oricine si femei si copii, de orice religie

[valh]

Asa e ,atunci americanii pun singuri bombe in piete ,sa omoare civili irakieni ,sa tensioneze situatia in asa fel incat populatia sa se revolte ,sa ii dea afara pentru ca s-au saturat de atentate produse din vina lor. Jet Li ,cati anisori ai? Politica si psihologia terorismului din Orientul Mijlociu e studiata cu atentie de experti ,nu de bloggerii plictisiti care cauta extraterestrii ascunsi in mixerul din bucatarie.

Stii macar cine a inventat bomba umana ? Si cum se foloseste?

[jet li]

1- How come that since we invaded Iraq over 650,000 innocent people died, 38,000 in 2006 alone according to UN? Just watch CNN to see the incredible number of civilian casualties in Iraq every day, we went crazy over 2,000 victims in WTC on 9/11.

2- How come 1 in 8 Iraqis (Over 2,5 million Iraqis) have migrated from Iraq and lost there homes according to UN since we invaded Iraq, (the largest migration since the Israelis invaded Palestine) and we claim that Iraqis are doing better than they did before?

3- Who is responsible for the sectarian violence in Iraq. According to history books the last sectarian war in the region was 1,000 years ago? If we blame it on them, then how com they did not fight before our invasion, and lived peacefully side by side for over 1,000 years?

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