Colapsul Americii a inceput

[Kickazz]

oare cand va incepe sa cada $ ?

[jet li]

Extra3OO , Madoff ala mi se pare ca e la arest la domiciliu sau asa ceva. Poate primeste vreo 3 ani din care face 2 luni. Nu furi cat a furat el fara prieteni in pozitii inalte.
Intre timp unu care a furat 100$ de foame si s-a predat singur pentru ca se simtea vinovat a luat 15 ani de inchisoare.

[Extra3OO]

Vezi ca intre furt si executare silita este o diferenta. Daca spalatoresele si-ar fi luat piscina in rate ar fi avut suficienti bani ca sa-si plateasca obligatiile.

Dar vai, ghinion fantastic, spalatoresele au ramas fara servici. S-a inventat masina de spalat!


Ma intreb foarte sincer cand o sa veniti si voi in secolul asta. Oare de ce este nevoie ca sa se aprinda niste led-uri..

[flavian]

oare cand va incepe sa cada $

Mie mi-e teama de martie, dar naiba stie, de acuma totul e posibil.

A trecut deja la mustata pe langa cel putin o cadere in octombrie anul trecut.

Insa avem cica sanse poate pica sistemul financiar din europa inaintea celui din US. Eh, noi sa fim fericiti, ca scapam de toata mizeria. Sanatosi sa fim si papa sa avem ca de bautura nu ducem lipsa si aurul tot aur ramane...

Articolul e beton, vi-l recomand cu caldura:

Failure to save East Europe will lead to worldwide meltdown

If mishandled by the world policy establishment, this debacle is big enough to shatter the fragile banking systems of Western Europe and set off round two of our financial Götterdämmerung.

But I digress. It is East Europe that is blowing up right now. Erik Berglof, EBRD's chief economist, told me the region may need ?400bn in help to cover loans and prop up the credit system.

Europe's governments are making matters worse. Some are pressuring their banks to pull back, undercutting subsidiaries in East Europe. Athens has ordered Greek banks to pull out of the Balkans.

The sums needed are beyond the limits of the IMF, which has already bailed out Hungary, Ukraine, Latvia, Belarus, Iceland, and Pakistan ? and Turkey next ? and is fast exhausting its own $200bn (?155bn) reserve. We are nearing the point where the IMF may have to print money for the world, using arcane powers to issue Special Drawing Rights.

The implications are obvious. Berlin is not going to rescue Ireland, Spain, Greece and Portugal as the collapse of their credit bubbles leads to rising defaults, or rescue Italy by accepting plans for EU "union bonds" should the debt markets take fright at the rocketing trajectory of Italy's public debt (hitting 112pc of GDP next year, just revised up from 101pc ? big change), or rescue Austria from its Habsburg adventurism.

So we watch and wait as the lethal brush fires move closer.

If one spark jumps across the eurozone line, we will have global systemic crisis within days. Are the firemen ready?

[skyblue]

Athens has ordered Greek banks to pull out of the Balkans.

Deci inteleg din asta ca nici Bancpost / Piraeus/OTP nu se simt prea bine .

[MYSTIK]

cam asa ceva. lucrez in EFG si cunosc situatia.

[flavian]

Athens has ordered Greek banks to pull out of the Balkans.

Mda, eu de cand avertizez:

Criza economica globala - Page 96 - Computer Games Forum

Uite AICI si un cuprins general al situatiei...

[flavian]

Tot despre US in varianta haioasa

Sometime this year, taxpayers will receive an Economic Stimulus Payment. This is a very exciting new program that I will explain using the Q and A format:

Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers.

Q. Where will the government get this money?
A. From taxpayers.

Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. No, they are borrowing it from China. Your children are expected to repay the Chinese.

Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is that you will use the money to purchase a high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.

Q. But isn?t that stimulating the economy of China ?
A. Shut up.

Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the US economy by spending your stimulus check wisely:

If you spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China.
If you spend it on gasoline it will go to Hugo Chavez, the Arabs and Al Queda
If you purchase a computer it will go to Taiwan.
If you purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras, and Guatemala (unless you buy organic).
If you buy a car it will go to Japan and Korea.
If you purchase prescription drugs it will go to India
If you purchase heroin it will go to the Taliban in Afghanistan
If you give it to a charitable cause, it will go to Nigeria.

And none of it will help the American economy. We need to keep that money here in America. You can keep the money in America by spending it at yard sales, going to a baseball game, or spend it on prostitutes, beer (domestic only), or tattoos, since those are the only businesses still in the US.

[stefanap]

Nu-l anunta nimeni pe Obama ca planul a esuat?


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[APH]

Scuze ca-mi exprim si eu parerea dar nu cred in colapsul SUA pentru ca este imposibil din toate punctele de vedere, criza financiara din ziua de astazi este reala doar pe computerele bancilor si pietelor financiare. Pentru SUA ceea ce are astazi este suficient pentru a iesi dintr-o criza de doua sau chiar de trei ori mai nenorocita decat asta de astazi pentru ca acolo exista infrastructura, exista sute de milioane de case si vile, exista concurenta pe piata muncii, exista etc. etc. Criza insa va fi nasola pentru noi cei din Romania si restul tarilor "amarate" care nu prea au nici infrastructura, nici vointa de munca, nici corporatii gigante, noi avem doar pamant si cam atat care insa este mult prea scump pentru banii din ziua de astazi.

[flavian]

Te scuzam, daca promiti sa nu mai faci

Cel putin nu inainte sa citesti si ce au scris altii anterior

[skyblue]

Nu-l anunta nimeni pe Obama ca planul a esuat?


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Cica s-a lasat cu scandal dupa publicarea caricaturii atasate in New York Times.



Un articol interesant :

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/pol...-its-debt.html

[skyblue]

Ild2 , sa iti editezi propriile posturi nu pe ale altora , da ?


Daca am citat 3 paragrafe din articolul ala e pt ca aia mi s-a parut esential pt topicul actual din noianul de idei dezbatute acolo. Pt ca unora le e lene sa citeasca tot.


E dovada de proasta crestere ce faci.

[ild12]

e dovada de flame ce faci. atentie cum continui.

am anuntat de destula vreme ca editez citatele interminabile si asta se intampla.

[Ivan]

Tinere, mai usurel cu acuzele. Aici nu e gazeta de perete a scolii si nici panou electoral unde fiecare lipeste ce vrea si cat vrea.
Poti pune foarte bine cele 3 paragrafe intr-un fisier text pe care il poti atasa la post, nu e nevoie sa dea o mie de oameni page-down pana-i doare mana ca sa treaca de citatul tau "obligatoriu de citit".

[skyblue]

 

Poti pune foarte bine cele 3 paragrafe intr-un fisier text pe care il poti atasa la post, nu e nevoie sa dea o mie de oameni page-down pana-i doare mana ca sa treaca de citatul tau "obligatoriu de citit".

In teorie nu e nici o diferenta intre teorie si practica , in practica este.

In teorie e corect ce spui cu "miile" de cititori care nu vor sa dea scroll down , in practica care mie? suntem doar 4 oameni care discutam pe sectiunea asta plus cate un ratacit ce apare 1 data / saptamana si apoi dispare . Eu am gasit f.f. interesante imensa majoritate a citatelor postate de ceilalti si marea majoritate a articolelor "dezgropate" de ei din diferite colturi ale internetului.
Superficialii de care spuneti voi si carora nu vreti sa le incarcati neuronul nu apar pe threaduri unde schimbam pareri despre doctrina economica keynesiana, deficitul balantei de plati SUA-China sau variatia raportului DowJones/gold price . Ei sunt pe threadul "ce manele ne place" si discuta despre ultimul extras pe single a lui Vasilica Copilu de Platina.

Daca insa considerati ca ii plictisesc pe ceilalti 3 participanti la discutii pe aici nu e nevoie sa va aratati muschii de moderatori dand banuri aiurea , e destul sa imi spuneti pe P.M. " ba' baiete , lasa-ne" . Am plecat automat si nu o sa mai auziti de mine. Dupa care eventual repetati figura cu ceilalti 3 si ati rezolvat problema. O sa rezulte numai threaduri foarte usor de moderat si care nu mai plictisesc pe nimeni.

Madam' Clinton a plecat deja in Asia dupa bani.

Stakes are high for U.S., China during Clinton visit - CNN.com

Political analysts here do not expect substantive results coming out of Secretary Clinton's visit. Says Yan Xuetong: "The purpose of her visit is to lay the foundation for future collaboration between China and the U.S." Presidents Hu Jintao and Obama have talked on the phone and have agreed to meet in April during an international economic summit in London.

Meanwhile, China analyst James McGregor already notes a shift in tone: "The U.S. used to come here and lecture China," he says. "Now the US is coming here to kiss up to China."

Se pare ca deja se intampla lucrul pe care il spuneau

 

"Wielding A Tin Cup And A Gun:

Now look ahead a few weeks, or at most a few months, to the time when President Obama has to send his Treasurer over to Asia to ask them to fund most of his $US 2.5 TRILLION budget deficit for this fiscal year. All of Asia, including China, says no. Geo-politically, this is already feared. The evidence is simply that the first foreign trip that Secretary of State Lady Hillary will make is to - Asia! She is not going to Europe or anywhere else on this trip. She is going to where the money is, to ask to borrow it.
Here, the global pivot is structural. The fact is that Asia could help the US to fund its budget deficit by stripping themselves of more than half of all their foreign exchange reserves this year. But what about NEXT year? They cannot do that and the Asians know it. The structural point is that there is a forward time horizon in front of the US of only ONE year to resolve its own budget deficit problems as well as its now unrepayable external debts and. That year is THIS year - 2009.

The Asians know this too, as does Japan, Russia and the European Union. What they fear is that a financial collapse of the US will hurt them. If Asia lends to the US, it will crash next year, If Asia does not, the US will crash THIS year."


© 2009 - The Privateer http://www.the-privateer.com capt@the-privateer.com (

inainte de instalarea lui Obama . Ca americanii se vor duce cat de repede , inainte de orice altceva in Asia , dupa bani. In primul rand sa asigure faptul ca rezervele in dolari ale chinezilor nu pleaca la plimbare si in al doilea rand sa faca rost de bani cu care pot amana colapsul economiei SUA inca un an.

[ixtl]

Bancile, aceste minunate institutii.

"It's a racket. It's a scam," said Rachel Davis, a 38-year-old dental technician from St. Louis who was laid off in October. Davis was given a MasterCard issued through Central Bank of Jefferson City and recently paid $6 to make two $40 withdrawals.

M-ar amuza teribil ca mai multi cetateni de bine sa puna mana pe arme si sa-si cheltuiasca ultimii bani din ajutorul de somaj pe ceva munitie cu bataie lunga pentru o vanatoare de bancheri.

[skyblue]

Bloomberg.com: Politics

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged China to continue buying U.S. Treasury bonds to help finance President Barack Obama’s stimulus plan, saying “we are truly going to rise or fall together.”
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China’s leaders understand that “the United States has to take some very drastic measures with the stimulus package, which means we have to incur debt,” Clinton said. The Chinese are “making a very smart decision by continuing to invest in Treasury bonds,” which she called a “safe investment,” because a speedy U.S. recovery will fuel China’s growth as well.

China boosted purchases of U.S. debt by 46 percent last year to a record. The Chinese government said last week it plans to keep buying Treasuries, adding that future purchases will depend on the preservation of their value and the safety of the investment. China’s currency reserves of $1.95 trillion are about 29 percent of the world total.

Deci bine inteleg eu din articolul asta ? S-au hotarat chinezii sa ii mai "sponsorizeze" pe americani inca un an ? Ca sa nu ii lase sa cada .
Cu rezerva ca daca SUA sau alti jucatori importanti (Middle East de exemplu) arunca dolari in piata si devalorizeaza $ atunci si ei vor fi nevoiti sa faca la fel cu trilionele detinute.

[EMI]

“we are truly going to rise or fall together.”

Ne-am linistit, au rezolvat problema.

[flavian]

Varianta a doua e mai plauzibila.

Dupa care chinezii raman cu fabricile si americanii cu niste hartiute igienice verzi abia scoase de la tiparnita...