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    "MOSCOW, April 14. /TASS/. An independent analysis of the chemical used in the Salisbury incident has uncovered traces of the chemical weapons that were in operational service in the United States, the United Kingdom and some other NATO members."
    "The analysis of the samples uncovered traces of the toxic chemical BZ and its precursors falling into the second category of chemical weapons under the Chemical Weapons Convention."
    "Neither the Soviet Union nor Russia has ever developed or stockpiled similar chemical weapons."

    Urmeaza sa vedem ce gasesc expertii OPCW in Siria.

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    Lasa tu vrajeala:

    "Swiss state Spiez lab says ‘BZ toxin’ used in Salisbury, not produced in Russia, was in US & UK service."
    "The Swiss center sent the results to the OPCW. However, the UN chemical watchdog limited itself only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report without mentioning anything about the other facts presented in the Swiss document."

    Adica informatia are aceeasi sursa (Swiss state Spiez lab), doar ca cei aserviti americanilor au omis sa precizeze detaliile mentionate in raport, care detalii pana la urma s-au aflat.

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    Nu, nu spune nimic Spiez lab, rusii spun ca Spiez lab spune.

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    Ba spune, doar ca nu-ti spune tie care esti disperat sa inghiti orice rahat imprastiat de americani.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldshooterman View Post
    Adica informatia are aceeasi sursa (Swiss state Spiez lab).
    dap, peste tot informatia are aceeasi sursa: ministrul rus de externe spune ca Spiez lab spune ceva .


    ca si idee, TASS uita sa mentioneze tot ce a spus Lavrov. adica faptul ca s-a gasit si o gramada de Novichok (A-234). o bucata mai mare din declaratie e aici: Лавров рассказал о применении в Солсбери отравляющих веществ BZ и А234
    si traducerea:
    Moscow. 14th of April. INTERFAX.RU - Swiss specialists have identified a substance used in Salisbury as a BZ gas that was not developed in Russia, as well as substance A234, which, if used, would lead to the death of Sergei and Yulia Skripaly, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

    "Based on the results of the examination, the traces of the toxic chemical BZ and its precursors belonging to the chemical weapons of the second category in accordance with the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons are found in the samples.BZ is a nerve agent temporarily disabling a person, psycho-toxic effect is achieved in 30-60 minutes and lasts up to four days, "Lavrov told the Assembly on Foreign and Defense Policy on Saturday.

    "This recipe was in the arsenal of the US Army, Great Britain and other NATO countries, there were no developments or accumulations of these chemical compounds in the Soviet Union and Russia," the minister said.

    According to him, the information was obtained on the basis of confidentiality and contains data received by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) from the Center for Radiological and Chemical-Biological Analysis in Swiss Spiez.

    In addition, the samples also revealed the presence of a poison agent of nerve agent A234, Lavrov quoted.

    "According to experts, the established high significant concentration of A234 would inevitably lead to a fatal outcome," he said.

    According to him, taking into account its high volatility, the question of the detection by the specialists of the center in Spiez of this poisonous substance in the initial state and in pure form, in high concentration, "seems extremely suspicious, because the period between poisoning and taking samples was long enough" .

    "The clinical picture ( poisoning in the British Salisbury Sergey and Yulia Skripal - IF ) more corresponds to the use of the poisonous substance BZ," Lavrov added.

    The minister recalled that Julia Skripal, as well as the injured policeman, had already been discharged from the hospital, and Sergei Skripal himself, according to British officials, went on to recover.

    "None of these factors and in general about BZ is mentioned in the final report, which experts of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons submitted to its executive council," the Russian Foreign Minister stressed.

    In this regard, Russia is turning to the OPCW with the issue of the inconsistency of primary information from laboratories and the final report.

    Investigation of poisoning in Salisbury
    This week, the OPCW experts involved in the investigation into the Salisbury incident reported correctness of the conclusions of Great Britain The poisonous substance that was used in the attack on the Violins. However, his name was not given in the message. It is indicated only in the full version of the report, which experts sent to the member countries of the organization without prior publication.

    The British authorities have repeatedly stated that the Skrypals were poisoned with a nerve agent of the "Novice" type allegedly developed in Russia. Responsibility for the crime they pinned on Moscow.

    On the eve of Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told Interfax that the full version of the OPCW's report on the Salisbury incident does not contain a confirmation the version of London about Russia's involvement in the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Scriples with this or that substance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiley View Post
    dap, peste tot informatia are aceeasi sursa: ministrul rus de externe spune ca Spiez lab spune ceva .


    ca si idee, TASS uita sa mentioneze tot ce a spus Lavrov. adica faptul ca s-a gasit si o gramada de Novichok (A-234).
    Nu s-a gasit o gramada de Novichok si Lavrov a mentionat si asta, impreuna cu comentariul laboratorului relativ la Novichok:

    "Lavrov added that the Swiss lab also pointed at the presence of the nerve agent A234 in the samples, but added that the lab noted that its presence in the samples appeared strange, given the substance's high volatility and the relatively long period between the poisoning and the sample-taking."

    Adica preum au remarcat unii: "The Brits spiked the sample before it went to the lab."

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    Agentul 234 care nu exista si nu a fost dezvoltat de Rusia?

    Si doar agentul 234 putea sa fie bagat dupa in proba, nu BZ?

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    Avem asa:
    1. "BZ is a nerve agent temporarily disabling a person. The effect is achieved within 30-60 minutes and lasts up to four days." Nu produce moartea si persoanele expuse pot fi tratate.
    2. "A234 military-grade nerve agent" de puritate maxima, mortal si fara tratament...

    Cei doi si-au revenit repede si fara urmari... Chiar si numai cativa neuroni ar fi suficienti pentru ca bunul simt sa traga o concluzie despre ce au organizat "agentiile" acolo.

    Se poate face si un desen. La ce mai folosea sa contamineze probele sau sa foloseasca BZ (produs american) daca cei doi erau oricum omorati cu A234?

    "BZ GAS WAS developed by the United States Army at the Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland during the 1950s as a military agent."
    "It has been used several times over the past 40 years, most famously against theViet Cong in the Vietnam War by the United States and against Muslims in both Bosnia and Kosovo by Yugoslavian troops."(nbcnews)

    Dar n-a fost nici o problema cand l-au folosit americanii pe fata si in masa.

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    Ca si concluzie: Skrypal a fost otravit de rusi cu Novichok. Astea sunt concluziile oficiale.

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    Concluzii oficiale ale unei organizatii in care Rusia e membru: Russia

    The results of the analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirm the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and severely injured three people
    OPCW Issues Report on Technical Assistance Requested by the United Kingdom


    oldshooterman, plimba ursu, canta la alta masa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldshooterman View Post

    Se poate face si un desen. La ce mai folosea sa contamineze probele sau sa foloseasca BZ (produs american) daca cei doi erau oricum omorati cu A234?

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    Deci doar vestul putea sa contamineze proba la laborator?

    Un rezultat care nu apare in investigatia oficiala si nu e confirmat de cineva.

    Parca suntem la olimpiada la Sochi.

    P.S. Stii ca letalitatea depinde de doza? Si ca afirmatia ca BZ e un produs doar american e falsa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diablo81 View Post
    Deci doar vestul putea sa contamineze proba la laborator?

    Un rezultat care nu apare in investigatia oficiala si nu e confirmat de cineva.
    1. Da, doar "vestul" putea sa contamineze proba, pentru ca altii n-au avut acces la ea.
    "According to the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, the UK ought to provide Russia with the nerve agent used to poison Skripal and give Russia 10 days to respond. Nevertheless, May didn't provide any evidence to Moscow and gave it just 24 hours to react to London's ultimatum."

    2. Rezultatul apare in investigatia oficiala, doar ca nu e mentionat complet la redactarea concluziilor. Respectiv e mentionata prezenta A234 fara a specifica posibila provenienta si fara remarca laboratorului care spune ca e dubioasa. In plus e omisa prezenta BZ in declaratia publica.

    Faptul ca cei otraviti n-au patit nimic in final, spune tot. Cel mai probabil in viitorul apropiat se vor lamuri si restul detaliilor, posibilitate care induce disperare rusofobilor.

    Rusii au cerut explicatii oficiale din partea OPCW despre motivul pentru care au omis concluziile expertilor de la laborator. Daca cineva pune mana pe raport (care e confidential) si il publica, o sa-i faca de rahat pe toti cei care au manarit treaba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldshooterman View Post
    Nu s-a gasit o gramada de Novichok
    Lavrov te contrazice:
    ....Lavrov quoted.
    "According to experts, the established high significant concentration of A234 would inevitably lead to a fatal outcome," he said.
    (sursa: articolul de pe INTERFAX citat un pic mai sus)
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    Si unde e fatal outcome ?
    We all are born stupid, but it takes a special person to remain that way.

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    Poate ca Skrypal si fata lui sunt rusi antrenati sa reziste la otravuri.
    Pe rusii astia nu ii omori usor. Cit s-au chinuit sa-l asasineze pe Rasputin, nu a murit usor ala.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldshooterman View Post
    Ba spune, dar imi spune doar mie care sunt disperat sa inghit orice rahat imprastiat de rusi.
    FTFY

    reciproca e valabila, trebuie doar sa fii deschis la minte si sa-ti dai seama cum te vad altii cand pupi rusii in fund si vorbesti de rau pe "amerloci"

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    Mai ales cand traiesti intr-o tara care fara investitiile vestului era distrusa.

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    S-a activat masinaria de propaganda rusa pe FB. Deja am vazut postari preluate de pe doua pagini diferite, cu urmatorul mesaj:
    <<Câteva amănunte despre SIRIA!

    1. In Siria, nu există nicio bancă centrală Rothschild.
    2. Siria a interzis produsele alimentare modificate genetic, precum și cultivarea și importul acestora.
    3. Siria este singura țară arabă care nu are datorii la Fondul Monetar Internațional, nici la Banca Mondială, nici la altcineva.
    4. Familia lui Assad face parte din orientarea (religioasă) alawită; acesta este un curent minoritar şiit al islamului tolerant; a fost combătută de la moartea lui Mohamed de majoritatea sunnită.
    5. Femeile din Siria au aceleași drepturi ca și bărbații în privința studiilor, sănătății și educației.
    6. Femeile siriene nu sunt obligate să poarte vălul. Legea Sharia (Legea islamică) este neconstituţională în Siria.
    7. Siria este singura țară arabă cu o constituție seculară și nu tolerează mișcările extremiste islamice, care sunt combătute puternic (chiar și cu metode extreme).
    8. Aproximativ 10 % din populația siriană aparține uneia dintre multele ramuri creștine, prezente întotdeauna în viața politică și socială.
    9. În alte țări arabe populația creștină nu ajunge la 1% din cauza tratamentului prost.
    10. Siria este singura țară mediteraneană în întregime proprietară petrolului său (aproximativ 500.000 barili / zi) și nu și-a privatizate companiile de stat.
    11. Siria are o largă deschidere spre cultura și societățile occidentale, cum numai Libanul o mai are în lumea arabă.
    12. Siria a fost singura țară pașnică din zonă, fără războaie sau conflicte interne.
    13. Siria este singura țară din lume care a primi refugiații irakieni, fără nicio discriminare socială, politică sau religioasă.
    14. Bashar al-Assad are o susținere populară foarte mare.
    15. Siria dispune de rezerve de petrol exploatabile (aproximativ 2,5 miliarde de barili), care este rezervată întreprinderilor de stat.

    Răspândiți acest articol pentru că întreaga lume trebuie să-şi deschidă ochii, fără violenţă mascată de cuvinte precum „democraţia” sau „misiune de pace". Ajunge!>>

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    Siria a fost singura țară pașnică din zonă, fără războaie sau conflicte interne.

    M-au convins.

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