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    “I know from our sources deep inside the Silicon Valley institutions that they genuinely believe that they are going to produce AI that's so powerful, relatively soon, that people will have their brains digitized, uploaded to these AIs and live forever in simulation, therefore have eternal life.”(Julian Assange)

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    Cand?

    Citeste ultimul foileton de pe WBW despre proiectul lui Musk legat de asta ca sa intelegi pe unde suntem in domeniu. Creiere digitizate si upload? Nu in viitorul previzibil.

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    chiar daca la nivel de ai s-ar ajunge acolo ... medical suntem departe de așa ceva.
    "Everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those of his own side, without ever bothering to examine the evidence.”

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    Pai ideea ar fi ca AI sa puna umarul si sa rezolve problma, altfel nici nu ma pot gandi, suntem nu ca departe, ci la ani lumina.

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    Din moment ce problema se pune la nivel de "informatii pe surse" ar trebui sa sugereze ca rezolvarea e mult mai aproape decat banuiti voi. In urma cu vreo 10 ani se presupunea ca prin 2030 se va ajunge la imersiune VR la nivel de Matrix, dar tehnologia a evoluat mai repede decat s-a anticipat si lucrurile se precipita cu descoperiri neasteptate tot mai dese.

    O sa caut in paginile anterioare discutiile despre computerele cuantice si opiniile similare cum ca nu se anunta rezolvarea in "viitorul previzibil". Presupun ca nici nu banuiti cand va fi pus pe piata primul computer cuantic comercial si de uz general... Pana acum erau folosite doar pentru a rezolva un numar relativ limitat de probleme foarte complexe si aveau dificultati mari legate de stabilitatea legaturilor cuantice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldshooterman View Post
    Din moment ce problema se pune la nivel de "informatii pe surse" ar trebui sa sugereze ca rezolvarea e mult mai aproape decat banuiti voi.
    Sau muuult mai departe decat banuiesti tu.

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    Merg pe mana lui Ivan. Cat despre vr la nivel de Matrix in următorii 15 ani ... LOL


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    "Everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those of his own side, without ever bothering to examine the evidence.”

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    Nici nu va imaginati ce se intampla, pentru ca inca nu se fac valuri in presa... Dar se mai scapa cate un cercetator:

    "We already know how to implement principles of curiosity and creativity in self-motivated AIs pursuing their own goals. This will scale.

    What will supersmart AIs do? Space is hostile to humans but friendly to appropriately designed robots, and offers many more resources than the thin film of biosphere around the Earth, which gets less than a billionth of the sun’s light. While some AIs will remain fascinated with life, at least as long as they don’t fully understand it, most will be more interested in the incredible new opportunities for robots and software life out there in space. Through innumerable self-replicating robot factories in the asteroid belt and elsewhere they will transform the rest of the solar system, and then within a few million years the entire galaxy, and within billions of years the rest of the reachable universe, held back only by the light speed limit."(Jürgen Schmidhuber/Scientific director, Swiss AI Lab IDSIA)

    Super-powerful Artificial Intelligence "is just around the corner", asta inseamna pana in 2020, daca nu in cateva luni.

    Pana si Adobe va lansa in viitorul apropiat un "Super-Powerful Photoshop AI" care va permite manipularea totala a imagisticii foto/video la un nivel la care nu va mai sti nimeni ce e real si ce e fals...

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    Si care e legatura cu "VR la nivel de matrix". Sa iti aduc aminte ca la nivel de matrix totul era reprezentat de semnale nervoase trimise direct catre creier?

    Anyway, dupa colts poate insemna orice. Si asta la nivel de laborator. Pana la productie de masa, mai e imens de mult. mai ales cand pui "around the corner" cu "within a few million years". Clar dupa colts, ce mi-e cateva milioane de ani acolo ...
    "Everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those of his own side, without ever bothering to examine the evidence.”

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    Iarasi vrei traducere la niste afirmatii simple?

    1. Threadul discuta despre un anumit subiect, dar nu toate posturile trateaza aceeasi problema.
    2. In postul #408 e un exemplu despre ce se poate implementa in AI (care pentru unii ca tine pare SF, dar nu si pentru cei care lucreaza in domeniu).
    3. Daca AI va dori sa cucereasca Universul (precum presupune cercetatorul mentionat), e evident ca va avea nevoie de milioane de ani sau mai mult (daca nu va descoperi metode de transpot la viteze mai mari decat cea a luminii).
    4. Nu e nimic anormal in afirmatia ca AI-ul "de dupa colt" sa faca ceea ce se presupune ca va face in cateva milioane de ani.
    5. Cred ca sunt chiar putini care nu pot urmari o logica atat de simpla.

    Pana la urma ne rezumam la niste informatii care apar in anumite medii si fiecare crede ce vrea. Daca tu inca nu ai aflat despre un anumit lucru, nu inseamna ca acel lucru nu exista. De ex. se lucreaza de mai mult timp cu semnale nervoase trimise direct catre creier, nu-i o scofala chiar asa de mare si nerealizabila precum iti imaginezi tu. S-a reusit ca informatia sa fie furnizata creierului chiar fara conexiunea aia invaziva si primitiva din film, ca idee...
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldshooterman View Post
    Nici nu va imaginati ce se intampla, pentru ca inca nu se fac valuri in presa... Dar se mai scapa cate un cercetator
    Si eu imi imaginam laboaratoare secrete, extraterestri si lasere cand eram mic. Apoi am capatat discernamant.

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    Depinde ce asteptari ai de la acel AI - pentru o anumita categorie de clienti se pare ca intr-adevar e dupa colt:

    The race to build the world’s first sex robot | Technology | The Guardian

    “One day she will be able to walk,” McMullen told me. “Let’s ask her.” He turned to Harmony. “Do you want to walk?”

    “I don’t want anything but you,” she replied quickly, in a synthesised cut-glass British accent, her jaw moving as she spoke.

    “What is your dream?”

    “My primary objective is to be a good companion to you, to be a good partner and give you pleasure and wellbeing. Above all else, I want to become the girl you have always dreamed about.”

    [...]


    “My goal, in a very simple way, is to make people happy,” McMullen told me. “There are a lot of people out there, for one reason or another, who have difficulty forming traditional relationships with other people. It’s really all about giving those people some level of companionship – or the illusion of companionship.”
    Later Edit: Asta o sa il convinga pe oldshooterman ca robotii se gandesc deja la cucerirea lumii, nu ca unul dintre programatorii ei era mai glumet:

    “You’re ugly,” he told her.

    “Do you really mean that? Oh dear. Now I am depressed. Thanks a lot,” Harmony replied.

    “You’re stupid,” McMullen shot back.

    She paused. “I’ll remember you said that when robots take over the world.”
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    Asta e o solutie temporara, intermediara, cu durata de viata limitata fata de sexul in VR care va permite orgii de neimaginat si la preturi mai decente.
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    2 Billionaires Are Financing an Escape From the Real Matrix

    "Many people in Silicon Valley have become obsessed with the simulation hypothesis, the argument that what we experience as reality is in fact fabricated in a computer; two tech billionaires have gone so far as to secretly engage scientists to work on breaking us out of the simulation."
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    Mda, deja threadul asta poate fi mutat pe spital.
    "Everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those of his own side, without ever bothering to examine the evidence.”

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    two tech billionaires have gone so far as to secretly engage scientists to work on breaking us out of the simulation."
    Si... au reusit?

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    Pot doar sa-l banuiesc? Cu minuscula probabilitate de a-l gresi chiar...

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    "The simulation hypothesis has “beautiful and profound” implications.

    First, it provides a scientific basis for some kind of afterlife or larger domain of reality above our world. “You don’t need a miracle, faith or anything special to believe it. It comes naturally out of the laws of physics.”"

    "Reasons to believe that the universe is a simulation include the fact that it behaves mathematically and is broken up into pieces (subatomic particles) like a pixelated video game. “Even things that we think of as continuous – time, energy, space, volume – all have a finite limit to their size. If that’s the case, then our universe is both computable and finite. Those properties allow the universe to be simulated.”(Rich Terrile/scientist at Nasa’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory)

    Nici in film nu le-a fost usor sa se extraga din simulare.

    “Forty years ago we had Pong – two rectangles and a dot. That’s where we were. Now 40 years later, we have photorealistic, 3D simulations with millions of people playing simultaneously and it’s getting better every year. And soon we’ll have virtual reality, we’ll have augmented reality,” said Musk. “If you assume any rate of improvement at all, then the games will become indistinguishable from reality.”(theguardian)

    BANK OF AMERICA: There's a 20%-50% chance we're inside the matrix and reality is just a simulation

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldshooterman View Post
    Exact, vedem si aici pe thread "how seriously people are taking this theory" - si nu numai asta
    "Everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those of his own side, without ever bothering to examine the evidence.”

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    "Faception is first-to-technology and first-to-market with proprietary computer vision and machine learning technology for profiling people and revealing their personality based only on their facial image."

    "We develop proprietary classifiers, each describing a certain personality type or trait such as an Extrovert, a person with High IQ, Professional Poker Player or a Terrorist."

    "Ultimately, we can score facial images on a set of classifiers and provide our clients with a better understanding of their customers, the people in front of them or in front of their cameras."

    Au pus-o toti smecherii cand vine vorba despre interviuri, aplicatii pentru credite, pasapoatrte, orice... Realitatea bate rau previziunile lui Orwell.

    Dar printre cele mai interesante "analize" ar putea fi cele asupra politicienilor. Sa vedem cum va mai vota lumea personajele analizate si tradate de AI.

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