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Old 22-07-2005, 21:06   #1 (permalink)
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Big bang lichid

http://www.physorg.com/news5340.html

Se pare ca in primele momente ale universului, "materia" avea proprietati asemanatoare cu ale lichidelor, nu ca ale gazelor, cum se asteptau toti.
 
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Old 23-07-2005, 08:26   #2 (permalink)
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Mda. Vechi. Totusi un pasaj de acolo m-a facut sa rad:
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There is a suggestion that certain versions of string theory may be able to explain the 'liquid' behaviour of the quark-gluon plasma. Professor Nelson expects that progress will be made during the forthcoming Quark Matter 2005 conference in Budapest in August. "Although these findings did not fit with expectations, the theories are slowly coming into line.
Cu alte cuvinte, teoriile suspect de asemanatoare cu pseudoteoriile se ajusteaza sa cuprinda si acest fapt. Pe cand o predictie verificabila reala, si nu una post hoc?

PS Le-o fi fost frica sa scrie "superfluid" acolo? Ca din descrierile lor aia pare a fi
 
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Old 26-07-2005, 22:54   #3 (permalink)
 
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Asta-i din ciclul "Big-bang" umed
 
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Old 26-07-2005, 23:21   #4 (permalink)
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Nah, nu e umezeala aia cu care esti tu obisnuit. "more like liquid than a gas" nu inseamna altceva decat inseamna
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Not just any old liquid, either. Its collective movement is rather like the way a school of fish swims 'as one' and is a sign that the fluid possesses an extremely low viscosity, making it what physicists call a perfect fluid. In fact, tentative calculations suggest its extraordinarily low viscosity makes it the most perfect fluid ever created.
Ceea ce descriu aia in modul asta poetic (comitand erori de logica, of course ), e de fapt un superfluid
 
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Old 27-07-2005, 12:07   #5 (permalink)
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Pai cred ca la ei "the most perfect fluid" = "superfluid". Nu folosesc ei exact cuvintele tale dar sensul e acelasi.
 
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Old 27-07-2005, 12:18   #6 (permalink)
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"The most perfect fluid" poate insemna un fluid ideal, in sensul de exemplu ca e incompresibil & fara vascozitate. "Its collective movement is rather like the way a school of fish swims 'as one'" inseamna ceva mai mult, si asa ceva numesc fizicienii superfluid. Nu sunt "cuvintele mele", a se vedea pentru referinta Landau & Lifshitz vol VI, cap XVI, Dynamics of Superfluids, aka nu Dynamics of the most perfect fluids.
 
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Old 27-07-2005, 12:40   #7 (permalink)
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Si de ce e mai bun termenul "super" decat "perfect"? Ca l-au spus Landau si Lifshitz?
 
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Old 27-07-2005, 13:35   #8 (permalink)
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Ca l-au spus Landau si Lifshitz?
Si Feynman Si in general cam toti fizicienii Si nu numai...

Una' e perfectiunea, si alta e superfluiditatea. In cazul unui superfluid efectele cuantice conteaza, si in fapt datorita lor "Its collective movement is rather like the way a school of fish swims 'as one'"
 
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Old 27-07-2005, 21:50   #9 (permalink)
 
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Acum numai la "superfluide" conteaza efectele cuantice, nu si la fluidele obisnuite, turbulente...
 
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Old 27-07-2005, 23:04   #10 (permalink)
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Nope, conteaza si in cazul fluidelor obisnuite, da' nu in ultimu' hal ca in cazul superfluiditatii
 
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Old 28-07-2005, 22:01   #11 (permalink)
 
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Iar superfluidu' asta e ceva ipotetic, sau real ?
 
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Old 28-07-2005, 22:03   #12 (permalink)
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La care te referi? Daca te referi la heliul lichid, e cat se poate de real
 
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Deci He lichid (banuiesc ca tre' sa fie cat se poate de pur) e superfluidu' cu pricina
 
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Deci He lichid
Non sequitur, ilogic
 
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Old 28-07-2005, 22:39   #15 (permalink)
 
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Tu ai amintit de heliu lichid cand te-am intrebat de "superfluide", nu eu...
 
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Old 28-07-2005, 22:46   #16 (permalink)
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Eu am vorbit de superfluide in general (urmareste posturile, poate te prinzi), si tu ai pus intrebarea retorica ilogica: "Iar superfluidu' asta e ceva ipotetic, sau real ?"
Ti-am raspuns la intrebare cu un exemplu de superfluid real.
 
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Si de ce ai mai trantit "Non sequitur" cand am spus ca He lichid e superfluid, asa ca sa nu-ti iesi din mana ?
 
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Deci He lichid (banuiesc ca tre' sa fie cat se poate de pur) e superfluidu' cu pricina

Aka pentru ca e ilogic
 
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Old 28-07-2005, 22:53   #19 (permalink)
 
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Aha, deci faza cu pricina nu ti-a placut
 
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Yeap. Apropo de superfluide, Feynman are cateva povesti in vol III, cap IV, Identical Particles. Destul de accesibile, zic eu, si ceva mai mult decat "the way a school of fish swims 'as one'"
 
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