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Old 04-09-2008, 08:38   #41 (permalink)
 
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Singura gaura neagra este aia din cunostintele tale generala, puna mana si cauta niste chestii de baza pe care ar fi trebuit sa le stii deja. Sau nu sunt pe iutub?
iote ca se intampla sa stiu si la aia ma refer
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Old 04-09-2008, 08:58   #42 (permalink)
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Eu nu ma pricep la fizica dar imi place sa gandesc logic. Faptul ca oameni de stiinta cred experimentul nu e 100% sigur imi da de gandit. Si aia s-au uitat la linkul lui banzai si nu s-au linistit... Asa ceva ar trebui sa fie supus la vot, am deptul sa cred ca acei oameni pot gresi si ca nu au voie sa experimenteze cu siguranta mea si a familiei mele.
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Old 04-09-2008, 08:59   #43 (permalink)
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Ar fi misto sa poata face totusi micro-gauri negre stabile. Ar fi primul pas spre constructia unei "farfurii zburatoare" din moment ce ar insemna ca putem altera si contola un camp gravitational artificial. Poate nu degeaba sunt farfuriile zburatoare circulare, or avea niste acceleratoare de particule pe-acolo...
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:12   #44 (permalink)
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Raduccio, singurii care au doar certitudini sunt idiotii congenitali.
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:15   #45 (permalink)
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Eu nu ma pricep la fizica dar imi place sa gandesc logic. Faptul ca oameni de stiinta cred experimentul nu e 100% sigur imi da de gandit. Si aia s-au uitat la linkul lui banzai si nu s-au linistit... Asa ceva ar trebui sa fie supus la vot, am deptul sa cred ca acei oameni pot gresi si ca nu au voie sa experimenteze cu siguranta mea si a familiei mele.
Dormi tu linistit ca au facut altii experimente mult mai catastrofale si nu ai auzit nici in ziua de azi despre ele , LHC era deja prea mare si mult prea costisitor ca sa il ascunda sub o patura , asa ca au trebuit sa ii faca putin marketing.
 
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Oare americanii nu au ceva si ei asemanator cu LHC-ul? Sau japonezii?
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Oare americanii nu au ceva si ei asemanator cu LHC-ul? Sau japonezii?
voi chiar credeti ca adevaratele ''descoperiri'' vor fi publice? search tesla...etc


intr-adevar lhc era prea mare ca sa poata fi acoperit
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:49   #48 (permalink)
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OK, si de unde zici ca vom obtine energia necesara unei conversii totale care sa produca o masa similara cea cu cea a Soarelui?
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:50   #49 (permalink)
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Fara a intra in termeni stiintifici, putem observa ca e vorba de niste "gaurele negre" a caror posibila existenta le-a reiesit din calcule matematice. Tot din calculele respective rezulta ca cele "mici" pe care spera ei sa le produca "se evapora" degajind o radiatie pe care spera sa o puna in evidenta, asta fiind scopul experimentului. A fost si in proces in justitie pe care l-au cistigat si li se da dreptul sa faca experimentul. Daca ceva nu merge bine si "gaurica" nu se evapora si incepe sa creasca, o sa traim o experienta interesanta si unica..
 
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Nu cred ca o gaura neagra generata in laborator poate creste fara o sursa de energie. La urma urmei este o gaura neagra artificiala care nu are nici masa nici gravitatia necesara pentru a fi o gaura neagra clasica. Deci platiti-va ratele la timp, nu scapati.
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Nu cred ca o gaura neagra generata in laborator poate creste fara o sursa de energie. La urma urmei este o gaura neagra artificiala care nu are nici masa nici gravitatia necesara pentru a fi o gaura neagra clasica. Deci platiti-va ratele la timp, nu scapati.
Sursa de energie pentru o gaura neagra in sensul clasic e tot spatiul fizic inconjurator, nu trebuie alimentata de la "priza"/artificial, se descurca singura. Noroc ca inca oamenii nu sint in stare sa o faca.
 
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:15   #52 (permalink)
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Evident, doar ca o gaura neagra "clasica" este "putin" mai mare iar momentan la CERN nu este tinuta in debara nici o gaura neagra. Ma indoiesc ca energia produsa de noi in urmatorii 100.000 de ani va putea asigura conversia necesara crearii unei astfel de mase.
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:39   #53 (permalink)
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Deocamdata totul se bazeaza pe speculatii si calcule matematice, experimentele se fac tocmai ca sa verifice teoriile. Nu e clar cum se formeaza nici "gaurile" nici "gaurele" negre. Sint multe controverse in domeniul astrofizicii dar e nevoie de niste teorii acceptate de majoritatea comunitatii stiintifice pentru o baza de plecare. Putem lua de exemplu "Experimentul Philadelphia" unde se presupune ca au incercat sa faca ceva si s-a obtinut altceva.
 
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:09   #54 (permalink)
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Speculatii, calcule matematice absurde sau realitate, cred ca indivizii care le manevreaza zi de zi sunt mult mai in masura ca noi sa vorbeasca despre problema. Si nu am vazut calcule fataliste clare, ci doar reticente precum cea a lui Teller.
Hai sa-i lasam sa-si faca treaba...
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:12   #55 (permalink)
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OK, si de unde zici ca vom obtine energia necesara unei conversii totale care sa produca o masa similara cea cu cea a Soarelui?
De la un 2.0 TDI , mais naturellement
 
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:15   #56 (permalink)
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NU mai exista denumirea aia, acum se scrie TDI.
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:20   #57 (permalink)
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Poate ma lamuresc specialistii de pe CG, ca se pricep la toate...
Daca o gaura d-asta neagra subterana este intretinuta artificial (deoarece nu poate fi o gaura neagra clasica Schwarzschild din motive evidente de masa si gravitatie), nu ar trebui sa se stinga de la sine cand sursa de energie dispare? Indiferent daca ii stingem noi lumina sau si-o stinge singura distrugandu-si instalatia care a generat-o.
Cred ca asta era si dilema unora cand proiectau centrale atomice pe hartie in 1900. Cum s-o stinga.

Oricum, de cand cu LHC-ul asta, de cate ori cade curentul mai multe minute parca traiesc mai intens
 
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:27   #58 (permalink)
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Oricum, de cand cu LHC-ul asta, de cate ori cade curentul mai multe minute parca traiesc mai intens
Si nici macar nu a fost pornit.

Hmm, si pe 14 trebe sa fac un zbor international. Daca in loc de 4 ani le ia gaurilor negre 4 zile sa devoreze planeta? Eu unde pzda msii mai aterizez?
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:31   #59 (permalink)
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Aia fac oricum ce vor si nu conteaza parereile noastre sau ale altora, doar discutam.
 
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:34   #60 (permalink)
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Mai e un thread despre asta.

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